Barclays Premier League & SkyBet Championship 2013/14

[Wilshere_10]

Kad bi mogli Campbella s pozajmice da vratimo, ja bi bio vise nego zadovoljan. Ne bi bio cup-tied, mada i dalje nisam siguran da li to pravilo vazi i ove sezone, a dobro se pokazao tamo. I ona klauzula u Velinom ugovoru za 4m bi morala da se iskoristi, smesna cena za takvog igraca.

[Casual Squad]

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[Sir Giggsy]

Za derbi utakmice...

Lee Mason has been appointed referee for Manchester City v Liverpool on Thursday 26 December #MCILIV

Howard Webb has been appointed referee for Chelsea v Liverpool on Sunday 29 December #CHELIV

I jedna zanimljivost...

Research by the CIES Football Observatory found that United have produced more footballers in the top five European leagues than any other English club.

Looking to the clubs at Europe’s top five leagues, Barcelona, Lyon and Real Madrid are the only clubs to have produced more players.

[ExEric]

Everton are in the same position and have the same points against top teams as last Christmas... so why is Moyes' time at Goodison being dismissed and rewritten?


Turns out it was all an accident. Eight top 7 finishes in eleven years in charge, European football, an FA Cup Final, the total stabilisation and improvement of a club working on limited resources.
One giant fluke, the lot of it.
Let's the ignore the potential David Moyes saw in Phil Jagielka (£4million from Sheffield United), Leighton Baines (£5million from Wigan), Mikel Arteta (£2million from Real Sociedad), Tim Howard (3million from Manchester United), Sylvain Distin (£5million from Portsmouth) and Steven Pienaar (2million from Borussia Dortmund).

Let's ignore that Everton made a profit in the summer transfer window for his last five years in charge yet still never dropped below 8th place.
All a stroke of luck. For David Moyes was never much cop as Everton manager. Says so on the forums. Screams so on Twitter.
In an act of quite baffling collective revisionism, the football world appears to have wilfully disregarded the last decade and focused only on the enchanting change since the arrival of Roberto Martinez.
It's a whole new world, we are told. Everton are more expressive, more confident, readier than ever to go toe-to-toe with the big boys.
It is a far cry from that ghastly Moyes era, where it was the hoof, the whole hoof and nothing but the hoof. Where Moyes was such a tactical ignoramus that he ordered only long balls and knockdowns, where Everton fans were trapped in a long-ball hell of Moyes' own creation.
By contrast, they are now treated only to tika-taka and liquid football on this exciting, new Spanish-infused adventure with Roberto Martinez.

This is the diatribe, now here's the reality.
On Christmas Day this year, Everton will be 5th, level on points with the 4th placed team Chelsea.
On Christmas Day last year, Everton were 5th, level on points with the 4th placed team Arsenal.
By Christmas Day this year, Everton have beaten Manchester United at Old Trafford, drawn with Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal, defeated Chelsea at Goodison and lost at Manchester City. 9 points out of 18.
By Christmas Day last year, Everton had beaten Manchester United (admittedly at Goodison Park but in mitigation, last season's United were a stronger force), defeated Tottenham, drawn with Liverpool and Arsenal, lost against Chelsea at Goodison but drew at Manchester City. 9 points out of 18.
By Christmas Day this year, Everton have scored 29 goals, one less than last season.

But do remember that David Moyes was working without a striker of outstanding potential such as Romelu Lukaku.
So while it is true that Moyes was at times pragmatic during his time with Everton, to dismiss it as kick and rush, as though the Scot represented the lovechild of John Beck and Tony Pulis, is utter nonsense.
Indeed, anybody that watched Everton last season will know that Moyes had moulded them into an enterprising side, playing with width, at a high tempo and a certain flair in the final third.
Around this time last year, Victor Anichebe scored a superb team goal at Newcastle. It was a patient, measured, studied build-up, playing out from the back. Distin to Baines, clipped into Jelavic on the halfway line, cushioned into Pienaar, dinked into Fellaini, who set Jelavic free on the left, who crossed low for Anichebe to score.

That is just one example. There are plenty more. Kevin Mirallas' goal at home to West Ham; Baines flying down the left, low pass into Fellaini, on for Pienaar, teed up for Mirallas, who slotted home.
So, it appears that certain observers - for this outlook surely cannot be universal - appear to have short memories.
Just seven months ago, Evertonians stood as one to applaud and offer gratitude to their outgoing manager in his final match at Goodison Park.

On a visit by Moyes to the Cambridge Union in the following days, lifelong Everton fans travelled down from Merseyside. One broke down in tears when thanking Moyes for restoring pride, professionalism and dignity to the club and local community.
The reasons for the souring of relations are self-evident. Moyes went back to Everton for a couple of players and he said some clumsy things in his pursuit of Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.
It has not helped Moyes' cause, too, that while Manchester United have struggled since his coronation, Everton have continued to succeed in his absence.

This is not to take away from Roberto Martinez, for as we are seeing at Old Trafford, it is not straightforward to continue and build on the smart work of a long-standing manager.
Martinez is not naive, he will know that much of the success of this season can be owed to what Moyes had already established: most notably an excellent defence, with Phil Jagielka, Sylvain Distin and Tim Howard forming a Bermuda Triangle for opposing strikers.
He is seeing the fruit of Moyes' smart development of Seamus Coleman, loaned out to Blackpool and then played at both full-back and on the wing.
Moyes' patience with Ross Barkley, resisting interest from Chelsea and Tottenham, and not exposing him before he was absolutely ready for the top flight, has also been overlooked.
So, by all means, revel in these expansive new times under Roberto Martinez but do not rewrite history and do not forget the debt that Everton still owe to their former manager.

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[Tobdzija]

http://www.sportske.net/vest/taj-lud...ja-159831.html

Pogledajte ovo. Malom obukli dres Totenhema i on pocne da place i hoce da skine.

[Mags Serbia]

Za mene je manager dosadašnjeg dela sezone Alan Pardew.

[Sir Giggsy]

http://www.sportske.net/vest/taj-lud...ja-159831.html

Pogledajte ovo. Malom obukli dres Totenhema i on pocne da place i hoce da skine.

Hm... kao da kaze Junajted na kraju.

[Mags Serbia]

[Casiraghi]

MrBoywunder @MrBoywunder 51m
Jordan Henderson has more goals + assists in the Premier League than Cleverley, Fellaini, Anderson, Carrick, Kagawa & Nani combined.

Nisam verovao da cu docekati ovako nesto od njega.

[Sir Giggsy]

Nisam verovao da cu docekati ovako nesto od njega.

Nije ni cudo kada jedino Kleverli igra u kontinuitetu... Kerik povredjen, Felaini takodje ali i skroz neprepoznatljiv. Kagava, Nani, Anderson o njima ne treba trositi puno reci.

[AK47]

Poceo je Eric zivotom da brani Moyesa zagotivio ga je

Ima dosta osnove za pricu u ovom tekstu nista sporno,ali stvar je da je on ostao oni bi vjecito cini mi se bili kao sto su bili i nikada ne bi krenuli naprijed dok sa Martinezom mislim da hoce...

[ExEric]

Pa da, to je promena u mentalitetu. Tu je osnovna razlika kod Martineza i Mojesa. Ovaj je ziheras, dok je ovaj drugi mudonja, ne plasi se da eksperimentise, da promeni... Jasno je kao dan da je Martinez jaci takticar i motivator od Mojesa. Meni samo smeta sto se isto pisalo za Mojesa prosle godine u ovo vreme (kada je Felaini bio jedan od najjacih u ligi), dok sada kada je preuzeo Junajted, on postade kanta preko noci. A isti taj Everton je Mojes izgradio za Martineza. Ovaj doveo brdo igraca na pozajmicu, uzeo Konea/Alkaraza iz Vigana (isto kao Mojes Felainija) i zamenio Felainija Mekartijem. Video bih da li bi drzao Everton dosta dugo na 5-7 mestu sa Gibsonom/Osmanom na sredini i Jelavicem/Anicebeom u napadu.

[Bogi]

Felaini je u karijeri igrao na svim pozicijama od stopera do napadaca, ali je po do sada prikazanom najopasniji odmah iza najisturenijeg igraca. Gledano prema onome sto je do sada radio Martinez, tesko da bi njemu Felaini bio od koristi kao sto je bio Mojesu u Evertonu. Eventualno bi ga koristio na sredini, ali uz ''preobuku''. Mojes ga je u Junajtedu stavio na centarigralista i lako se moze zakljuciti da on tu nema sta da trazi. Doduse, gore su Runi i RVP tako da se znalo gde ce igrati jos od kad je potpisao.

Zato ne vidim da je Martinez previse izgubio njegovim odlaskom ovog leta. Naravno, kvalitet je kvalitet, ali bi odlazak Bejnsa bio daleko veci hendikep po mom skromnom misljenju.

PS Da ne gresim dusu, ponekad se on i ubacuje u poslednju trecinu igralista a Runi ga za to vreme pokriva. Ali to ni izbliza nije njegova rola iz Evertona.

[AK47]

Ma ja nemam nista protiv Moyesa bas danas pricam sa svojom rajom kazem da ce on vremenom rijesiti te probleme.Mislim da on nije rjesenje za United,ali da je kanta nije.Drug sa foruma i ja smo se kladili prije par godina dok je Arsenal imao +8 u odnosu na United ko ce biti prvak Engleske i ja sam tipovao United i dobio tu simbolicnu lovu.United je potreslo nesto sto je moralo i opet je izdominirano grupom za LS(prolaze u 1/4 skoro sigurno),osvojen super kup,polufinale liga kupa i upravo tih -8 u odnosu na prvoplasiranog(opet je bas tu taj Arsenal) sto meni uopste nije strasno...

Razliciti su aspekti gledanja,ali generalno nakon januara ocekujem da dolaze bolji dani za United.Bio sam i ja skeptik nakon ona tri poraza kuci,ali nije sve crno kao sto izgleda to je sada vec jasno.Meni je Martinez bolji trener eto i sam si naveo zasto,ali mislim da ce Moyes da nauci vremenom da se nosi sa tim problemima koji su ga zadesili pa cemo da ga gledamo skroz drugim ocima.United i dalje na vrlo dostiznih 6 bodova do LS pozicije

EDIT: Jos nesto,Erice to sto ti govoris sa tim igracima jeste tacno,ali Martinez je glavni "krivac" sto je prepoznao te dobre igrace i doveo ih na posudbu,nije to bas lagano

[Bogi]

Mojes je prakticno postavljen na mesto trenera, kao da je u pitanju monarhija. To je SAF sebi mogao da dozvoli, takav luksuz da imenuje naslednika. Ima vremena za njega, bice i strpljenja, jer iza njega stoji trenerska legenda. Ovo definitivno nisu vremena kada se bilo ko mora cekati, ali ovo je jedna specificna situacija. Odlazak Mojesa bi posrednim putem bio i udar na njegovog prethodnika.

Njemu je, kao i Rodzersu(iz drugih razloga) naredni prelazni rok od velikog znacaja.

Ne potcenjujmo Martinezovu transfer politiku, on je i na tom planu veoma studiozan.