Wimbledon 2014

[Bimbo]

Johnny, nismo mi ni izdajnici ni strani plaćenici, mi smo prokleti. Samo u ovom narodu postoji izreka "dabogda komšiji crkla krava". Pokušavao sam nekim svojim prijateljima strancima ovo prevesti, objasniti i nisu uspeli shvatiti.I onda se našem detetu dogodi da mu se oteli, a ne crkne krava i mi mu to ne možemo oprostiti jer smo jalni i zavisni. Nije nam na diku, ali je na žalost istina.

[Žika]

Почиње реприза!!!

[Niki]

Ne znam koliko je ovo dobro za Nadala jer Federer vise nije njemu opasnost u medjusobnim duelima vec Novak koji ce ovom pobedom samo uvecati svoje samopouzdanje i igrati mnogo opustenije US Open. Nadalu za utehu ostaje cinjenica da je uvek igrao bolje kad je bio No.2.
Nasmejala si me za ovo boldovano jer sam bacio pogled malo na spansku MARCU i tamo je naravno ogromna vecina bila za Novaka i vecina komentara se mogu svesti na ovaj.

Ne bih bila tako sigurna sto se samopuzdanja tice, ali kad ti kazes dobija na tezinu. A, to je nebitno jer Djokovic veruje da je bolji od Nadala i uvek ce tako pristupati mecu, a jel to dobro ... meni je bitno kako Nadal bude pristupao.
Znam da Federer nije konkurent, ali njegovo dostignuce jeste.

[skeptik]

Ne bih bila tako sigurna sto se samopuzdanja tice, ali kad ti kazes dobija na tezinu. A, to je nebitno jer Djokovic veruje da je bolji od Nadala i uvek ce tako pristupati mecu, a jel to dobro ...

To stoji. I ne samo protiv Nadala vec uopste. Novak je na RG u 4.setu i pored rezultata 1:2, i pored povracanja i Sunca koje mu je smetalo bio i dalje ubedjen da moze da dobije mec. To se videlo u njegovim ocima. A taj isti pogled sam video kad je izlazio iz tunela pred pocetak 5.seta kad se vracao iz toaleta. Federer je apsplutno u pravu kad kaze da je Novak sad jak kao stena.
Bas me zanima odgovor Nadala. Mislim da cemo imati veoma interesantan US Open.

[Gargamel]

Federer je u Rafinim godinama imao 15 GS pa od tada samo 2 komada,polako Nadalovci
Ili mozda 16,nisam siguran

[AIRBORNE]

Posto vidim da je od veceras sve, apsoutno sve sporno pa cak titule sve trojice... Maru ne racunam dozvolicete mi...

Mozemo li da kazemo i da se slozimo da je danas Novak bio bolji u nameri da pokaze Rogeru kako vise neki aspekti
njegove tj. Rodjine igre nece vise prolaziti u njegovom omiljenom dvoristu a da je Rodja pokazao Novaku sta i kako se zivi 100% teniski profesionalizam bez obzira na protivnika, vreme i godine.
????

[Žika]

сада се сетих Чилине констатације да је Ноле рањив на трави... како ли би све ово изгледало да није рањив?

[amnesiac]

Bravo, zaboravih neiznudjene, da se Novak branio pa ajde i da se kaze, a na istom bili sto se gresaka tice, pritom je defanzivniji Federer bio mnogo. Ja takvu konstalaciju snaga ne pamtim na Vimbldonu, neka me neko ispravi ako grijesim.

Griješiš. Pogledaj finale Wimbledona 2007. Iako je Federer tada dobio Nadala, to je bilo isključivo zahvaljujući svom servisu. Broj vinera iz igre je bio ubjedljivo na strani Nadala koji je kontrolisao meč sa osnovne linije. Da se razumijemo, Đokoviću svaka čast, ali mi se čini da si ovaj put previše subjektivan.

[cacanin]

сада се сетих Чилине констатације да је Ноле рањив на трави... како ли би све ово изгледало да није рањив?

E da i ti jednom kazes ono sto meni kao Novakovom ultrafanu pase ;)

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[Vladan]

Griješiš. Pogledaj finale Wimbledona 2007. Iako je Federer tada dobio Nadala, to je bilo isključivo zahvaljujući svom servisu. Broj vinera iz igre je bio ubjedljivo na strani Nadala koji je kontrolisao meč sa osnovne linije. Da se razumijemo, Đokoviću svaka čast, ali mi se čini da si ovaj put previše subjektivan.

Moguce, sjecam se odlicno tog meca ali mi nije ostao u takvom sjecanju. Ipak ti svakako masu bolje pratis Federera, statistike za taj mec nema, ono sto sam nasao je ovo, izbaceno 2008. godine.

Nadal-Feder stats compared (2007 and 2008 W finals)

WINNERS AND ERRORS

Out of 323 points in last year's final, Federer made 65 winners, a rate of almost exactly 1 winner every 5 points.

Out of 413 points in this year's match, Federer made 89 winners, a rate of 1 every 4.6 points.

Last year he made 34 unforced errors, just slightly more than 1 every 10 points. This year he made 52 unforced errors, a rate of almost exactly 1 per 8 points.

So he was hitting winners at a faster rate in 2008, and also making errors at a faster rate.

Federer's differential this year was +35, and last year it was only +31, but that stat by itself doesn't mean that this year he played better. All the numbers were larger this year because more points were played, so the differential is expected to be larger.

Nadal's differential this year was 33, only 26 last year, but again that doesn't mean he played better. It doesn't even mean he hit winners more aggressively.

Last year Nadal had 50 winners. He was hitting them at a rate of 1 per 6.5 points. This year he hit 60 winners, so 1 per 6.9 points.

Last year Nadal had 24 unforced errors, so he made 1 error every 13.5 points. This year he made 27 unforced errors, so he made an error once every 15.3 points.

So Nadal's rate of winners was slower this year (barely), and his rate of errors was also slower.


Just going by the numbers, then, Federer was more aggressive this year, while Nadal was slightly more conservative – or consistent if you prefer.


NET STATS

Statistically I would not have expected Nadal’s rate of winners this year to be lower, because Federer was presenting more of a target at net.

Last year Fed won 30 of 51 approaches (59%), Nadal 18 of 26.
This year Fed won 42 of 75 approaches (56%), Nadal 22 of 31.

Nadal had more total approaches this year than last year, and the difference is just about what you would expect from the longer match. But the length of this year’s match does not explain the uptick in Federer’s approaches. If he kept his approach rate from last year, you’d expect him to have about 65 approaches this year – but he made 75.

If he was going to the net more aggressively this year, that would at least partly explain his higher rate of winners.


BREAK POINTS

Last year Nadal won 4 of 11 break points, Fed 3 of 8.
This year Nadal won 4 of 13 break points, Fed 1 of 13.

The numbers could suggest that Federer played a better match last year -- particularly if you don't give Nadal sufficient credit for saving the break points this year; I'm inclined to give him the credit.

And if you divide the break point chances by set, the numbers actually favor Federer in the last half of the match.

Federer's break point chances by set:
0-3
1-3
0-6
0-0
0-1 (his sole chance in the fifth was at 3-4)

Nadal's break point chances by set:

1-1
2-3
0-3
0-0
1-6 (Nadal had two chances at 5-all and four at 7-all)

I didn't think Federer was fired up until the third set. He was 1 for 12 on break points by the time they got to 3-all in that set (he had just failed to convert 4 break points in Nadal's last service game). Nadal pinned him at love-40 in the next game but couldn't convert, leaving Rafa at 3 for 7 in break point opportunities. Each player then held once before the rain delay, and Federer came back a better player.

In sum, after that rain delay Federer was 0 for 1 in break point chances, Nadal 1 for 6.

Break points are also not the only measure of key points. Conversion of match points is another measure, and in that stat Nadal needed 4 before he could convert.

Play in tiebreaks is another measure, and Federer took both tiebreaks (with 4 aces in the first one, out of only 6 points that he served).

It's true that Federer can be faulted in the first two and half sets for not converting more break points (and for failing to consolidate his only break). On the other hand, Nadal double-faulted at 5-2 in the fourth-set tiebreak and got tight on the backhand on the next point. And by my own judgment Nadal made two unforced errors when he had Federer at love-40 in the third set.

So in terms of playing well on important points, both players had their problems in '08 -- though not many after the first rain delay. In that last half of the match it was Nadal, arguably, who had the most serious trouble on important points: the 5-2 points in the tiebreak on his serve, break points in the fifth, match points. But Nadal also came through with the only break of serve, which is why he won.

In terms of playing well overall for five sets, the numbers suggest that they played more aggressively this year (with payoff), than last year.


SERVICE PERCENTAGES

Nadal's percentage went up by two points in 2008, to 73. He served more aces (6 to 1) and by common agreement has improved his serve.

Federer's percentage went down 5 points, to 66%. He served 25 aces compared to 24 last year, not a big improvement considering this year’s match was so much longer.

[Žika]

E da i ti jednom kazes ono sto meni kao Novakovom ultrafanu pase ;)

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не капирам шта значи бити фан.. можда нисам тај фан, али сам уз и за Нолета уз сваки уздисај и бол и мене боли још више него њега, кад видим да пати, ја патим више од њега.. оседео сам бре због њега, кад га критикујем то је из жеље да буде бољи и јачи!

[shminka]

Titulu 2007. na Wimbledonu Rafa promašio jednim udarcem...inside-in FH u aut...

[cacanin]

не капирам шта значи бити фан.. можда нисам тај фан, али сам уз и за Нолета уз сваки уздисај и бол и мене боли још више него њега, кад видим да пати, ја патим више од њега.. оседео сам бре због њега, кад га критикујем то је из жеље да буде бољи и јачи!

Isto tako veruj mi da ne pravim sad selfije sto bi deca rekla...palim kandila...srecno.

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[Guest]

Johnny, nismo mi ni izdajnici ni strani plaćenici, mi smo prokleti. Samo u ovom narodu postoji izreka "dabogda komšiji crkla krava". Pokušavao sam nekim svojim prijateljima strancima ovo prevesti, objasniti i nisu uspeli shvatiti.I onda se našem detetu dogodi da mu se oteli, a ne crkne krava i mi mu to ne možemo oprostiti jer smo jalni i zavisni. Nije nam na diku, ali je na žalost istina.

Tvoje shvatanje situacije sa navijanjem se neverovatno poklapa sa avatarom koji koristis.

[Gari NS]

Vrlo intezivan i dobar mec.Iznenadio me Novak kako je bio dobar na travi,sem naravno onog choka kad je servirao za pobedu...

Ali kako je prolazio Rodzera na mrezi,ucinio je da se Federer boji izaci na mrezu,svaki put kad bi ovaj izasao dobio je jasnu poruku

Zasluzena titula za Noleta,tu nema price.Federer je stvarno neverovatan,izvukao je sve iz rukava,mogao je na kraju i dobiti mec

Tek posle ovakvog meca se vidi sta je potrebno uraditi da bi se on dobio na travi....Stvarno je monstrum na ovoj podlozi.

Ali danas se videla resenost Novakova da prekine taj los niz...