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  • Timmy je jedini igrac SAS-a kojeg gotivim,uz Blaira

    Cim nadjete neke vesti o danasnjem sastanku Sterna i kompanije,postavljajte ovde ;)

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    • lutajuci reporter mac t
      na licu mesta
      nemo brinete nis


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      "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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      • Ovo je mnogo bitno, pa stoga uzastopni postovi, nemojte zameriti ako ih bude jos kako budem redom javljao sta se dogadja, drugacije necete videti da sam dodavao stvari.



        Unutra su vec skoro 6 sati, ocekuje se da se sastanak zavrsi za nekih pola sata i tada ce se znati vise! Da napomenem, ovo je do sada najbitniji sastanak!!!
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        "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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        • Auuu,svaki put zaginu...nadam se da imaju dobro meze i kvalitetno pice

          Na ovom sastanku se nalaze najbitniji moguci ljudi,verujem da ce nam danas dosta toga biti jasno.

          Mac,samo dobre vesti javljaj

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          • Jebo me optimizam kad sam se sad skenjao kao zmaj...


            Billy Hunter: "pessimistic" that season will start on time, despite "robust" discussions today. No further talks scheduled.
            Hunter said union was willing to move off if its current proposals, to no avail.
            Derek Fisher: "it's discouraging and it's unfortunate, but that's the reality of where we are right now."
            Hunter: owners were receptive 2 player proposal on economics, not willing to make concessions on their proposal on the system-a union must.


            Btw, Kelly Dwyer je ovim sve rekao:


            Goodnight, everybody.
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            "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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            • Ne znam sta da kazem...ajde da sacekamo par sati,ali ne mirise na dobro

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              • http://www.nba.com/2011/news/09/13/t....ap/index.html

                "We know how to negotiate over dollars when the time comes, but they so conditioned any discussion on our acceptance of the status quo, which sees a team like the Lakers with well over $100 million in payroll and Sacramento at 45," Stern said. "That's not an acceptable alternative for us. That can't be the outcome that we agree to."

                Vrte se u krug. I dalje guraju sve "pod istu kapu" kako bi stvorili alibi za Hard Cap. Jos ce ispasti da je Stern komunista!
                Last edited by Branislav; 14-09-11, 00:50.

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                • Dodao sam u temu o vestima jos 2 clanka o lockout-u, pa ko zeli moze da procita.




                  EDIT: Upravo sam procitao i da je od strane Hunter-a do igraca dosla informacija da ce najverovatnije morati da presede pola sezona kako bi doslo do dogovora. Serem im se u usta.
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                  "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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                  • Evo o cemu su oni "mlatili" 6 sati u utorak:
                    Igraci su prihvatili znacajno smanjenje plate ali je ponuda bila zasnovana na zadrzavanju svih aspekata postojeceg Salary Cap-a. Vlasnici su naravno odbili taj predlog i predlozili Flex koji im omogucava siri spektar u finansijskom delovanju. Ali u osnovi predlozeni Flex bi bio Hard Cap. Pa ovo "vrte" od kraja PO i prvih sastanka i onda izadju i kazu da nije doslo do napretka u pregovorima!
                    Ako dogovor ne bude postignut do sredine oktobra liga ce poceti sa otkazivanjem meceva regularnog dela sezone.
                    Trenutno nema dogovora oko toga kada bi trebao da se odrzi sledeci zvanican sastanak mada je moguce da dodje do nekih neformalnih sastanaka tokom vikenda posle pojedinacnih sastanaka vlasnika u Dallas-u i igraca u Las Vegas-u u cetvrtak.

                    Najzanimljiviji je clanak koji je postavio T-Mac u temi o vestima u kome odredjeni agenti traze desertifikaciju kako bi se promenila dinamika pregovora u korist igraca (o ovome je vec bilo reci ranije kada su se predstavnici lige ostro suprotstavili razbijanju Unije). Naime, po zakonu Sindikat ne moze da podnese antimonopolsku tuzbu protiv vlasnika ali ako bi doslo do desertifikacije onda bi zakon tretirao igrace kao pojedince umesto kao zajednicu (Uniju). U tom slucaju bi oni kao fizicka lica mogli da podnesu antimonopolsku tuzbu i da zahtevaju sudsku presudu po kojoj bi vlasnici morali da ih vrate na posao!
                    Ne znam samo koji je ovo genijalni um smislio i zar neko stvarno misli da bi im to proslo na Federalnom sudu? A i na sta bi licili ti klubovi i liga u kojoj igraci igraju na osnovu sudske presude?
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                    • Chris Sheridan ima jedan po meni pametan i zanimljiv predlog, kada vec postoji luxury tax, zasto vlasnici da placaju dolar za dolar? Zasto to ne povecati na 3? Verujem da bi to zadrzalo postojeci soft cap, a isto tako i pomoglo da pregovori krenu na bolje.
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                      "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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                      • Igraci upravo zavrsili sastanak u Vegas-u...


                        Union meeting ends in Vegas. Players wearing "STANd" t-shirts again...
                        Fisher: "we aren't being unreasonable. We aren't asking 4 anything that employees in our position wouldn't ask for"...
                        Fisher: "there is not the fracture in our group that has in some ways been reported."
                        Billy Hunter on decertification: "we have all of our options on the table...we will review and assess all of them as time goes on."
                        Hunter: "If the owners were looking for some kind of break in the ranks...that was put to bed."
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                        "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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                        • Dodate jos dve nove vesti...



                          Mhm, znaci mozda i nije sve bas tako crno, a ni vlasnici izgleda nisu sigurni potpuno sta zele sto mozda i ne mora da bude lose...
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                          "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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                          • Originally posted by T-Mac View Post
                            Chris Sheridan ima jedan po meni pametan i zanimljiv predlog, kada vec postoji luxury tax, zasto vlasnici da placaju dolar za dolar? Zasto to ne povecati na 3? Verujem da bi to zadrzalo postojeci soft cap, a isto tako i pomoglo da pregovori krenu na bolje.
                            Predlog je dobar isto kao i predlog igraca da smanjenjem plata kroz odredjeni vremenski period vrate ligi odredjenu sumu novca, a da se zadrzi postojeci Salary Cap. U sustini ova dva predloga su ista. Razlikuju se samo po formi.
                            Vlasnici jednostavno nece ni po koju cenu zadrzavanje postojeceg stanja. Sta god da im se predlozi kao resenje, a da pritom ostane vazeci Salary Cap, oni ce odbiti. Hoce uvodjenje Flex-a/Hard-a (citaj: monopola) nad celokupnim finansijskim poslovanjem unutar lige sto bi im omogucilo neslucenu moc i bogacenje. Naravno, oni to nikada nece priznati da je istina i stalno ce kao papagaji ponavljati frazu kako zele da naprave finansijski profitabilnu ligu. Liga mozda i nije profitabilna ali nije ni u gubicima kolikim ih oni predstavljaju (mislim da to vec i vrapci znaju). Jednostavno im je potreban Hard i potpuna kontrola nad finansijama kako bi ostvarili svoje licne ciljeve. J**e se njima i za ligu, a jos vise za igrace.

                            "In a letter to all players, NBPA president Derek Fisher criticized agents who have been calling for decertification."

                            Negativno odredjivanje Fisher-a prema desertifikaciji je po meni najbitnija stvar koja je proizasla iz danasnjeg sastanka u Las Vegas-u jer licno mislim da bi ih ona potpuno unistila. Ovako jos uvek ostaje prostora za kakve-takve pregovore.

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                            • Aha, sad sam nasao mnogo zanimljivu i nadam se jako korisnu informaciju...


                              Secate se da sam pre neki dan pisao kako vlasnici nisu ujedinjeni, e danas je to i potvrdjeno. Fisher kaze da nema nista od ove price sto je Bane spominjao, da ce pokusavati pojedinacno da tuze ligu i vlasnike, nego da ce biti ujedinjeni do kraja. Tu dolazimo do onoga sto sam saznao, ne da svi vlasnici ne misle isto nego MANJE OD POLA ne zeli da odbaci sezonu zbog hard cap-a i to je osnova na kojoj Fisher i NBPA "grade svoj slucaju". Zele da se dogovore oko osnova kada su u pitanju finansije, spremni su na kompromise (vec su i smanjili neke zahteve, to ce bolje Bane da vam objasni), samo da se ostavi postojeci sistem. A, s obzirom da vlasnici verovatno onih najjacih fransiza o cemu smo i govorili krajem prosle sezone ne zele da odbace sezonu bukvalno bez veze, mislim da dogovor mozemo da ocekujemo.
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                              "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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                              • Pomesani signali se nastavljaju... Pogledajte ovu recenicu Stern-a...


                                “The clock is ticking, but it hasn’t struck midnight yet,” he said. “We have time to do what has to be done and we’d like to do it, actually.”
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                                "The last time I was intimidated was when I was 6 years old in karate class. I was an orange belt and the instructor ordered me to fight a black belt who was a couple years older and a lot bigger. I was scared s---less. I mean, I was terrified and he kicked my ass. But then I realized he didn’t kick my ass as bad as I thought he was going to and that there was nothing really to be afraid of. That was around the time I realized that intimidation didn’t really exist if you’re in the right frame of mind." - Kobe Bryant

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