NBA Regular Season 2011/12 (opste diskusije, komentarisanje vesti, tracevi i ostalo)

[LBJmvpFORlife]

80 miliona.

[Ljuba90]

http://www.sportklub.info/forum/thre...l=1#post685796

Ima ovde malo o Tristanu, ako nekog zanima

[LBJmvpFORlife]

Let's get this out of the way right at the start: Kobe Bryant has five championship rings and LeBron James has none. Bryant's been a more clutch and effective player in his seven Finals than James has been in his two.

For some, that is the end of the conversation. There seems to be general agreement among NBA fans that these two are to be judged by that standard. And by that standard, there is no comparison at this point in time.

But if anyone wants to take a look at what's happened when Bryant and James have actually played against each other, there's another truth that has emerged. James has outplayed Bryant for years now in their head-to-head matchups. There was another rather one-sided chapter added Thursday night when the Miami Heat beat the Los Angeles Lakers, 98-87.

With the Cleveland Cavs and now the Heat, James has beaten Bryant head-to-head five consecutive times. Over the past five years, it has been seven wins in nine games. Beyond the victories, James has generally dominated the matchups, as he's averaged more points, rebounds, and assists and shot a significantly better percentage.

This is where the yelling usually begins with the words "regular season," "meaningless" and "rings" wrapped around various expletives and admonishments.

Bryant has countless fans who seem to be defensive about anyone applying a scratch to his legacy, while James has developed into a popular postseason scapegoat. It makes this topic quite dicey to have a rational discussion about, and perhaps this will not turn out any differently.

However, the regular season between these two is all we have. Combined they have played in the past five Finals but, much to the chagrin of the NBA and Nike, never against each other. That matchup, as intriguing as it would be, may never happen. That just leaves games like Thursday night, and even those are fleeting.

James' teams and Bryant's teams have played against each other 17 times now, and in several of those games, early in James' career, Bryant left early with ankle injuries. Unless there is a playoff matchup, there's not going to be 17 more meetings. There may not be 10.

What's left between these two Most Valuable Players and future Hall of Famers is a whole lot of what happened in this latest matchup -- James played better and his team won. What it proves can be debated, but the hard results and mounting data cannot be; James has been better.

"I've been in this league long enough, I don't need to prove anything to Kobe," James said. "And he doesn't, of course, need to prove anything to me."

Bryant indeed doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. James, meanwhile, is dealing with a period in his career in which he's under pressure to prove a great deal. But one thing he has proven, something the numbers and the results leave little to quibble with, is that he can beat Bryant and do it regularly.

Thursday, James had 31 points, eight rebounds, eight assists, four steals and three blocks. Bryant had 24 points, 14 of them in the fourth quarter, with five rebounds and seven assists. It has been playing out this way for years now.

Bryant, in what has become a trend when facing James, shot the ball poorly. The first time he played James in a Heat uniform, on Christmas Day last season, Bryant shot 6-of-16 in a blowout loss that frustrated him so much that he followed it up with a fiery news conference in which he challenged his teammates verbally. James had a triple-double.

When he saw James again two months later, Bryant was just 8-of-21 shooting and the Heat won again with James almost registering another triple-double. This time Bryant was so incensed that he sent a message with his actions, stomping back out to the court for a private shooting session.

Thursday was another subpar effort from Bryant; he was just 3-of-12 shooting going into the fourth quarter, when the game was already decided. He finished strongly, but it was too late, and James had gotten him yet again.

"They were the aggressors," Bryant said, more staid this time around. "They played much harder than we did."

You can almost pinpoint exactly when this started. During a Sunday afternoon game in Los Angeles in January of 2008, another in what is now a long line of national television matchups between the two, James and Bryant guarded each other for the entire fourth quarter of a hotly contested game.

The Lakers were two weeks from trading for Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum was injured. James was playing for a Cavs team that was still very much limited beyond him. It was a classic one-on-one battle down the stretch with James, who finished with 41 points and nine rebounds, scoring several huge baskets over and around Bryant, who had 33 points and 12 rebounds, while also forcing him into several misses.

Since that game, James has played with a certain confidence against Bryant that has come through in the results. He's averaged 28 points, eight rebounds and eight assists in the meetings since, though personnel upgrades on their respective teams have prevented fans from getting that sort of man-on-man drama.

With Dwyane Wade out Thursday with an ankle injury, there were a handful of possessions in each half that Bryant and James spent guarding each other.

But they were too quick and unsatisfactory, sort of how this era's two most talented players' games against each other have gone. That might be how history will have to leave it.

Ajde Dzime zavrsi neko finale da se raskusuramo

[Branislav]

Svima je poznato da se svaki tim bukvalno "napali" kada igra protiv Miami-a. To je lepo ali je još lepše videti kada se Miami "napali" da pobedi nekog, kao recimo, do sada, Dallas, Boston, Indiana, Atlanta, SAS, LAL, Philadelphia. Morate priznati da to izgleda jako ružno po njihove protivnike.
Ostali su još NY, Chicago i Oklahoma.

[Monta Ellis #11]

Mislim da su Knicks-i najvece razocarenje u dosadasnjem delu sezone,gube ljudi o koga god stignu odbrana se slabo igra a u napadu daj loptu Carmelo-u da se ispucava da besvesti.Sinoc Melo uzeo 30 suteva i pogodio 10 a Amare za isto vreme kao i on na parketu samo 9 suteva sto po meni nema veze sa zivotom.
Vidi se da Stoudemire-u nedostaje neki solidan plej sto Knicks-i nemaju da ga razigrava.Videcemo da li ce D'Antoni da izgura celu sezonu na klupi ako nastave sa ovakvim igrama.

[Mladen]

Nema sile, imao je on svojih prilika da prilagodi Knicks-e run and gun igri. Od sezone 2008/2009 ne moze da napravi nista, apsolutno nista. Ono vece kada je bio prenos Magic - Lakers, rekose komentatori da se Phil Jackson uzeleo posla i da bi upravo on mogao da preuzme Knicks-e. Mozda u sledecoj sezoni. Evo i jedne stare vesti o tome... http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/kni...ach-in-2012-13

[Ricma]

Mislim da su Knicks-i najvece razocarenje u dosadasnjem delu sezone,gube ljudi o koga god stignu odbrana se slabo igra a u napadu daj loptu Carmelo-u da se ispucava da besvesti.Sinoc Melo uzeo 30 suteva i pogodio 10 a Amare za isto vreme kao i on na parketu samo 9 suteva sto po meni nema veze sa zivotom.
Vidi se da Stoudemire-u nedostaje neki solidan plej sto Knicks-i nemaju da ga razigrava.Videcemo da li ce D'Antoni da izgura celu sezonu na klupi ako nastave sa ovakvim igrama.

*Boston
Nije problem to sto su izgubili od Denvera, ipak se oni mnogo bolje kotiraju od njih.Problem je to sto su sve ekipe koje su dno Istoka ih pobedjuju na njihovom terenu.I u najboljme slucaju bice sedmi u Istocnoj konferenciji, jer se prvih sest timova odlepilo od njih.
Treba novi trener koji ce da opali ''par samara'' Daglasu i Sampertu da ne siluju sut.

[Vule_89]

*Boston
Nije problem to sto su izgubili od Denvera, ipak se oni mnogo bolje kotiraju od njih.Problem je to sto su sve ekipe koje su dno Istoka ih pobedjuju na njihovom terenu.I u najboljme slucaju bice sedmi u Istocnoj konferenciji, jer se prvih sest timova odlepilo od njih.
Treba novi trener koji ce da opali ''par samara'' Daglasu i Sampertu da ne siluju sut.

Svima bi trebalo da se opali samar,ono je raspad sistema u Njujorku...

[Monta Ellis #11]

Boston je posebna prica,matori su da ne moze vise ali to nikako nece da priznaju
Kada im ne igra Rondo vide se sve njihove slabosti,tesko da iko od "velike trojke" moze sam sebi da kreira sut Pierce nesto pokusava ali slabo to ide.

[T-Snell]

Also, the Lakers reportedly are trying to find a way to land Paul Pierce. Not sure yet, what they are willing to give up. But again, it won't be an easy deal to make. The Celtics love him, obviously.

What do you think about this?

[Rondo9]

What do you think about this?

Ma ja njega ne bi ni za Kobea dao (preterujem, al' ajde).Taj covek je legenda i misilim da ne ide nigde, a kamoli u Lakerse gde ga toliko vole;).

P.S. Jel zna neko sta je sa Allenom?

[T-Snell]

Levi clanak, pretpostavljam da ce morati da pauzira bar nekoliko utakmica.

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What do you think about this?

Jedino ako daju Bryant-a,al moze i Bynum.

[Black Mamba 24]

Ne znam sta bi bilo potrebno dati za Paula,ali ja bih ga voleo u Lakersima.Mnogo ga postujem i zanima me kako bi izgledao sa Bryantom.
Krivo mi je sto (koliko ja znam) ni u reprezentaciji nikada nisu igrali zajedno.

[T-Snell]

Zaboravih da okacim ovaj Melo-ov citat, pisao sam od smeha...

"Maybe I need to not take so many shots. I don't know," (Melo) said. "There's just a bunch of stuff that goes through my mind. Just [trying to figure] out ways to make other guys better. Should I pass it more?