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Daud, Tielemans, Neves, Vajgl bi morale biti opcije.

Mislim da ce Daud kod Klopa u Januaru vec,od tih predlozenih ja bih najpre Vajgla

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Ajax lose talent to Manchester United

According to Ajax showtime, Ajax youngster Millen Baars has joined Manchester United.

The 16-year-old has been without a club since the summer after leaving Ajax and according to Ajax Showtime, Baars has now joined Manchester United.

The winger will join the clubs U18 side and becomes the third young Dutchman to leave Netherlands for the United academy in recent years after Timothy Fosu-Mensah and Tahith Chong. He will be available to play matches in January.

Baars was captain of Ajax’s B1 side last season but left after a disagreement with the Ajax coaching staff.

Sent away Baars (16) makes dream transfer

Millen Baars will quickly begin an unexpected, but no less beautiful adventure at Manchester United. Sixteen-year-old winger had to leave early this season at Ajax and after a few months of patience rolled an absolute top club from the tube.

Bass, who has played last season for Ajax B1, the season would initially start at the same B1. Coach Gery Vink made the quick dribbler even captain, but not much later it became clear that perch suddenly left. A brief statement shows that "did not correspond to the strong character of Bass with the wishes of the upper trainers.

Young Baars, who last season joined the management of Stellar Group, now will play in the coming years at Manchester United, where Timothy Fosu-Mensah and Daley Blind under contract. Perch starting at U18 and his family currently looking for a home. Since January he can play official matches. In England he will continue former Ajax Javairo Dilrosun, Donyell Grinding Familia and Juan Castillo against.

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Exclusive Ryan Giggs column: Sir Alex Ferguson left a huge void at #MUFC but decline was not inevitable -



I spent 29 years of my life at Manchester United – schoolboy, apprentice, first-team player, coach, caretaker manager, assistant – and now, for the first time since I was 14, I can stand outside that great club and take stock of all those wonderful years.

My instinct as a footballer under Sir Alex Ferguson, the man who guided my career, was only to look forward – to the next training session, to the next game, to the next challenge. Life is different now, but I am enjoying a rest from the game – a year away from it to reflect and the opportunity to do something different.

Playing for United, coaching at United, is pressure. Some people disagree. They think I should have challenged myself elsewhere. But where is bigger than Old Trafford? There are only a handful of clubs in the world where you are expected to win every game, and where every season there are new, talented, hungry young players trying to take your place.

In those days I would get a ticket wherever I could at Old Trafford but mostly it was to stand on the old Stretford End. Now, for the first time, I can take my 10-year-old son Zach to watch United.

We sat in the directors’ box for the derby against Manchester City and I pointed out to him the places in the Stretford End I would watch from when I was his age.

I understand that for all the trophies I won under Sir Alex, the 13 titles, the two Champions Leagues, the four FA Cups, the four League Cups, life moves on fast at Old Trafford and the preoccupation of United fans is what has happened since Sir Alex retired in 2013. I was part of that, as player-coach to David Moyes, and then assistant to Louis van Gaal and I know that the last three years have been hard for supporters.

I remember clearly where I was when I heard Sir Alex was stepping down as manager. He called me to tell me the evening before the club made the announcement. Although we talked a lot at Carrington it would be rare for his name to flash up on my phone out of hours and my first instinct in seeing it do so that evening was, ‘Oh God, what have I done wrong?’ Even at the age of 39.

He rang me to say that he was leaving. I suppose it could have happened any summer since his first retirement announcement in 2001 that he would quit in the summer of 2002, later reversed. But somehow it still felt like a shock.

When I finished talking to him that evening my overriding emotion was a great sadness. He had been part of my life for so long. It hit me at different stages over the next few months. When we went back for pre-season and he was not there, and then at Christmas. He was such a massive part of all our lives, organising, nurturing, driving us.

In my latter years as a player at the club, he would call me into his office to tell me which of the games coming up he had in mind for me to play and to get myself ready. But he would also consult me, and others like Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand, more than he had done in the past. We would be asked how we thought the team was training, how they were playing, about opposition, about selection. But don’t get me wrong, there was only one boss.

When David Moyes was appointed to replace Sir Alex he called me and asked me to be a player-coach. I was on my Uefa Pro Licence course at the Under-20s World Cup in Turkey and asked for some time to think about it. I assumed it would be a natural transition, It wasn't. I still wanted to contribute as a player and when you are a player you cannot focus on anything else.

I did not take any training sessions because David did that, and if not there was Phil Neville and Steve Round.

There was also a period after January when I barely played a first-team minute - a new experience for me. Of course, I knew that at 40 I was not going to be playing every week but I was fit and it was not as if the team were playing well. I found that hard. I remained professional but I cannot say I enjoyed it.

When I first met Louis we got talking and he asked me to be his assistant after just 30 minutes of conversation. I accepted and then he told me that he had one condition. I had to retire. In fact, he said he had made the decision for me. I was officially retired as a player as of that moment. As soon as he said so, it felt right. I learned more about coaching from Louis over the next two years than I thought possible.

He was completely thorough. Everyone in the team knew their role exactly and in the first season we made good progress. It was only last season that we lost our way although it would be wrong to say that was all Louis’ fault. We must all take our share of the blame.

If you had asked me back in May 2013, having swept to our 13th Premier League title under Sir Alex with four games to spare, whether I could ever see a day when United would not at least be challenging for the title, I would have said there was no chance. Our strength as a team was too well-established. Financially, the club was huge. The stadium is the biggest club ground in the country.

All the things that, for example, Liverpool had failed to do in order to ensure their long-lasting success after the 1970s and 1980s, United had done. Yet it is already three years since United’s last title. This is not a club in trouble – not on the scale of what happened to United in 1974 when they were relegated - but the standards of what went before have not been maintained.

Sir Alex also went three seasons without winning a league title but there was a plan and he came back with three in a row between 2006 and 2009. That is the challenge for Jose Mourinho, to put the club back up on top of the English game but there are no certainties about the future for United as there once were.

I don’t believe that the decline, post-Sir Alex was inevitable. We won the Premier League by 11 points. There were so many winners in that team, so many great characters. Yes, the likes of myself, Rio, Nemanja Vidic, even Patrice Evra were coming to the end of our careers – although Patrice is still playing. But with the right recruitment we would have been gently phased out and replaced by young, hungry players with United’s winning mentality.

Instead, the recruitment in that first summer under David Moyes didn't go to plan. I don’t blame David. He came in without any of the inside knowledge about how the squad worked: when certain players needed resting, who was right for which game, who needed to be moved on and who needed to be encouraged. Those of us who had lived through it could help him a bit, but a manager has to acquire that knowledge over time.

Signing Marouane Fellaini so close to the deadline that August, the club’s only major deal in a summer when we needed two or three big names, suggested that things were not running smoothly. United had signed players late in the window before – Dimitar Berbatov in 2008 springs to mind – but this time was different. This time it was more of a panic.

Sir Alex might not necessarily have had a first-choice XI but he knew exactly what side was needed for each game, and would have that planned weeks ahead. David did not have that information. He started with a blank sheet of paper and for most of the first season we were chasing our best XI, or the right team for the game in question. The best run of form was the six straight wins in December 2013 when we had a reasonably settled side, and then injuries kicked in and things went wrong.

The training sessions under David were excellent. All the players enjoyed them and there was no downturn in the competitiveness that had always been a feature under Sir Alex. Perhaps something else was lost with his departure that was bigger – something that was harder to quantify but there nonetheless.

People say that Old Trafford under Sir Alex had an aura. I have no doubt we did but it is hard for me to define what that was because I only ever played for United. I know from talking to players outside United that it existed. And that a lot of the time while it would seem like they were competing with us, at the back of their minds they were thinking, ‘We just want to get out of here without getting a hiding’.

One moment that stuck in my mind was after an away game with Wales when we had barely got a touch of the ball. I got back to the dressing room and was complaining about how hard it had been just to get in the game. Gary Speed interrupted me. “That’s what it’s like playing at Old Trafford,” he said. That comment has stayed with me as an insight as to what it must have been like to be on the other side for all those years.

My first instinct in seeing Sir Alex's number flash up that evening was, ‘Oh God, what have I done wrong?’ Even at the age of 39

I accepted and then he told me that he had one condition. I had to retire. In fact, he said he had made the decision for me.

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Pozdrav ljudi, nov sam ovde, pa ce, jelte, i prvi post biti malo duzi. Ali pokusacu da sumiram prethodnih par meseci u sto manje recenica.

Da pocnem od odbrane i Blinda. Mislim da su ljudi jako nepravedni prema Blindu. Lik je vrhunski fudbaler ali igra van pozicije vec 2 godine. Nije los na levom beku ali mislim da Mou treba da proba sa njim na poziciji zadnjeg veznog. Ima pas, ima dobru dugu loptu, jako je inteligentan, zasto da ne zadnji vezni?

Erera mi je najveci gotivac u klubu. Decko gine za grb. I najzad je dosao trener koji ce ga da drzi u startnih 11. Dobro diktira tempo, ima dobar pas, nazalost, te duge lopte umeju da variraju. u defanzivi je fantastican, odlicno cita igru, sto je najbolje pokazao protiv Liverpula.

Pogba, verujem da se dosta diskutovalo ovde o njemu. Po meni, ne treba obracati paznju na cenu jer je 50 miliona placeno za fudbalsko umece, a ostatak za marketinski potencijal. Adidasov poster boy. Brine me njegova limitiranost u formacijama. Ne verujem da ce Mou uspeti da izvuce iz njega ono najbolje u 4-2-3-1. Desetka mu ne odgovara, videlo se i protiv Fejenorda i protiv Liverpula, mada nije igrao cistu desetku protiv Liverpula. Plus, imamo 3 bolje desetke u klubu: Mata, Miki i Ibra. Mozda nekome zvuci cudno ali po meni Ibra moze da igra desetku, ima taj set skilova, bas bi me zanimalo kako bi izgledala igra da ga Mou stavi iza Rasforda. Nazad na Pogbu, izgleda mi kao da moze da igra samo u 4-3-3. Pa ga pusti da radi sta hoce. Ali verujem da nije promasaj jer previse je tu talenta, jednostavno ne vidim da moze da fejluje.

Sto se same formacije tice, ja bih probao ovako:

------------DDG
Valensija Baji Smoling So
------------Blind
-------Erera----Pogba
Miki/Mata----------- Marsijal
-------------Ibra

Izgubili bi donekle na brzini ali tu su dva igraca koja bi sekla unutra i haos bi pravili, plus imamo brze i ofanzivne bekove koji bi pruzili tu sirinu na terenu.

Idemo dalje, Liverpul. Moram priznati da mi je malo zasmetao taj pristup utakmici, ali sta je tu je. 1 bod je pobeda za Murinja. Stabilni smo bili. Ne primiti gol protiv najboljeg napada u ligi je fantasticna stvar. Ima naravno negativnih strana, ipak mislim da smo morali bolje kontre da igramo. Nervira me ta zabluda koja se stvorila u poslednjih par godina i komentari "Fergi bi napao Liverpul kao da mu zivot od toga zavisi". Netacno. Jesmo igrali napadacki fudbal, prelep fudbal, ali smo takodje igrali pametno. Jos da se uzme u obzir da je Fergi u poslednjih 6 utakmica na Enfildu izgubio 4, a dobio jednu. I Liverpul je imao daleko losiji sastav nego danas. Mou nije izgubio, a atmosfera u svlacionici je i dalje pozitivna, sto se moglo i videti sinoc. A ja cu biti i vise nego zadovoljan da izvucemo 6 bodova iz 6 gostovanja protiv najjacih ekipa u ligi.

Dosta sam vas smorio za prvi post u temi.

Edit: Cek, jos malo cu.

Runi po meni ne zasluzuje prvih 11. Forma mu je ocajna, nema samopouzdanja, ne znam sta mu se desava sa prijemom lopte, plac majke bozije. Ne secam se kad je neki igrac tako brzo propao nakon 2 godine. Postujem ga ja, kapiten i sve to, ali stvarno smeta. Naravno, nije jedini krivac i nisam od onih sto su u fazonu Runi je jedini krivac, ali je uticao u prilicnoj meri. Jos ne mogu da se oporavim od one njegove predstave protiv Votforda, onako losu partiju kapitena Junajteda, desetke Junajteda, nisam nikad video.

Fosu-Mensa treba da dobija vise minuta, lik je zver. Uklizavanja su mu vec na jako visokom nivou.

Takodje, ne razumem pljuvanje Felainija. Po meni je on fantastican igrac. Limitiran svakako, ali ono u cemu je dobar, to je na zavidnom nivou. Uklizavanja, kretanje, oduzimanje lopte, snaga. Covek radi ono sto se od njega trazi. Ne znam dal se secate tekme protiv Sitija, mnogi su ga napljuvali a on je po meni jedan od razloga zasto nismo primili bar 5 komada. Covek je skoro pa sam morao da cuva i Silvu i De Brujnea kad su pokretali napade u vezi. Imam veliko postovanje prema njemu i mislim da je jako bitan za tim, jer uvek odradi svoje zadatke kad Murinjo oseti da je neophodan.

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Dobrodosao, sjajno si probio led

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What can Manchester United learn from the errors of Jose Mourinho's exit from Chelsea?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-learn-9103216

Drugim rijecima pustite Murinja da radi sto god oce

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Dobrodosao, sjajno si probio led

Hteo coveku da dam repku bez citanja samo na duzinu posta, ali procitah drugi pasus i ono. Vise repki sledeci put.

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Conte je pricao na pres da je Pogba stalno htio da se vrati u Junajted.

Runi i Mikitarijan nisu putovali za London. Sta je sa Henrikom vise jebote ?

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Mozda je izveo Zahu i petljao oko kcerke

Smoling je onaj dan izasao zbog neke manje povrede inace

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Nadam se da je samo u pitanju Murinjova opreznost i da ne zeli da rizikuje dok Miki ne bude 100% fit. A ako ovako stalno bude sa njim, bez premca najgori transfer u istoriji kluba, jer platiti 40 miliona grejaca klupe koji je bio u poslednjoj godini ugovora i nije hteo da potpise novi sa Dortmundom, je idiotizam.

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Ne ide baš nešto ovima iz Dortmunda kad dođu kod nas a i odamh mi padne na pamet onaj Humels

I naravno da poželim dobrodošlicu novom Đavolu!

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Nadam se da je samo u pitanju Murinjova opreznost i da ne zeli da rizikuje dok Miki ne bude 100% fit. A ako ovako stalno bude sa njim, bez premca najgori transfer u istoriji kluba, jer platiti 40 miliona grejaca klupe koji je bio u poslednjoj godini ugovora i nije hteo da potpise novi sa Dortmundom, je idiotizam.

Nisu oni njega platili 40 nego su na Pogbinu cenu (kolika god da je i koliko god da je dobio i Rajola) dodali tih 40.
Jednostavno

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Nadam se da je samo u pitanju Murinjova opreznost i da ne zeli da rizikuje dok Miki ne bude 100% fit. A ako ovako stalno bude sa njim, bez premca najgori transfer u istoriji kluba, jer platiti 40 miliona grejaca klupe koji je bio u poslednjoj godini ugovora i nije hteo da potpise novi sa Dortmundom, je idiotizam.

Tesko da moze da nadmasi Verona po tom pitanju...

Ne znam ljudi sta ste se uspanicili za Mikija? Jel imao covek povredu, ne igra vec duze vreme i vrv mu treba malo adaptacije. Pa ne moze tek tako da ga ubacuje protiv Celsija i Liverpula. Zadnji put je igrao protiv Sitija i bio totalno van ritma. Proigrace Miki sigurno. A ove gluposti kako je kupljen samo zbog Pogbe totalni debilizam jos ako se setimo ko je pustio tu pricu sve je jasno...