GRAN PREMIO IVECO TT ASSEN

[Vanja #66]

Pa naravano da ne priznaju zato što ništa nije ni razvio. Nego ko je razvio ovu sadašnju Hondu, Rosi? Ne pričamo o tome kakav je vozač, to svi vrlo dobro znamo. Pričamo o tome koliko je zaista njegava stvarna uloga kao developera kao što ti kažeš. Da je Kejsi imao ovakav nivo i obim podrške u Dukatiju kao što ima Rosi mislim da bi uzeo najmanje 3 titule do sada.

Covece, uloga razvijaca masine je da kaze sta valja a sta ne. Pritom Rossi daje mali milion opisa za svaki krug koji izvozi, opise svaku reakciju koju motor proizvede i kaze na cemu se treba poraditi.
Ko je razvio Yamahu posle 2007, da nije mozda Edwards? Da je Edwards, on bi ostao u fabrickoj, a Rossi bi leteo u Tech 3.

Ako ne poznajes tematiku, nemoj ni da je komentarises...

[YAMAHAY]

Ono sto vozace odvaja je autoritet i osecaj za motor i da to prenesu tamo gde treba.
Imas pricu Furusawe kad je Rossi dosao u Yamahu, spremili su mu 3 motora, od ta tri jedan je bio novi dizajn koji je po misljenju Furusawe najvise obecavao ali je jos bio nedovoljno usavrsen i prakticno je bio najsporiji. Rossi je probao sve motore i odabrao pravi, i Furusawa kaze da bi posumnjao u Rossi-jeve sposobnosti da je odabrao pogresan motor.

Ok, i šta je tu tako spektakularno? Maks je već pobeđivao sa tim motorima. Da li to znači da ostali vozači ne bi izabrali pravi i da nemaju taj osećaj? Šta je bilo 2006 i 2007 kada je Furosava otišao?

ali nije samo Ducati kriv za los razvoj motora u zadjih par godina, ocigledno je da Stonera taj deo ne interesuje, covek hoce dobar motor da sedne i izvozi kao sto ume (a vozi spektakularno) i ode kuci. Rosiju nije pao autoritet sa neba, radio je na tome godinama, verovatno ima zahvalan karakter za komunikaciju i isterivanja onog sto zeli ... to je vrlina za ovakav sport nije mana. Mislim da je za Ducati Rosijev dolazak pun pogodak, ne zato sto mislim da ce da naosvajaju titula nego iz razloga sto su sada naterani u cosak i moraju ozbiljno da prionu na redizajniranje motora, i iz razloga sto u marketinskom smislu Rossi dovlaci dovoljno para za takav poduhvat. Takodje ce eventualni neuspeh da se pripise samoj fabrici a ne Rosiju sto je dodatan motiv. Zamisli da je Lorenco dosao u Ducati (koji je svetski sampion i odlican vozac) i da je imao rezultate slicne kao Rossi sada ... garantujem da bi veci deo krivice snosio on a ne fabrika, plus se fabrika ne bi ovoliko aktivirala (igrala na ivici propisa) da obezbedi bolji motor. Sve ovo ne garantuje uspeh poduhvata 800cc_u_GP12 ali bitno je da su shvatili da je problem u motoru a ne u vozacu.

Stoner cannot develop a bike


Stoner rejected criticism of his development skills, pointing out that Ducati's budget and resources had been the biggest stumbling block during his tenure there. "There were a lot of different things we asked for which they just couldn't do, things I asked for, my technicians, everybody," Stoner said in the press conference, "But we knew they were trying as hard as they could but without the resources, this is all they could come up with. Filippo tried everything he could and tried to get things to us as quickly as possible, but he wanted to make sure that everything was tested correctly, and when you don't have the budget and the time and the resources, then it's hard to do, and with us, they weren't able to do it."

The changes made to the Ducati during his tenure there were minimal, Stoner said: " From 2007 to 2008 they changed more or less nothing. 2009 and 2010, other than the chassis? That's it. We didn't change anything also in the past years. We changed to the big bang engine, but that was it. We did small steps each year and that's all they had the time for, they had all the season to develop one thing, we changed that and that was it. They would spend all the next season developing the next thing."

Stoner was not surprised to hear of such major changes to the Ducati, though, given the problems that Rossi had been having with the bike. "Honestly, they needed it," Stoner said. "If they don't do it, they look like they're doing nothing, and without real results this year they're in big trouble." With Valentino Rossi on board, budget was clearly no longer a problem, and this is something Stoner had been expecting. "I said at the beginning of the season that because they took Valentino they will for sure put more money and more development into this program. Obviously they had the budget to do something new, and if you have this possibility, you must do it if you're struggling like this."

[YAMAHAY]

Covece, uloga razvijaca masine je da kaze sta valja a sta ne. Pritom Rossi daje mali milion opisa za svaki krug koji izvozi, opise svaku reakciju koju motor proizvede i kaze na cemu se treba poraditi. Ko je razvio Yamahu posle 2007, da nije mozda Edwards? Da je Edwards, on bi ostao u fabrickoj, a Rossi bi leteo u Tech 3.
Ako ne poznajes tematiku, nemoj ni da je komentarises...

Ah izvini majstore što ti se trpam u posao, nego ko je razvio Yamahu 2006 i 2007? A što se tiče Kolina čitaj malo.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp...cati-wsb-deal/

"I've got the same bike and tyres as last year and I'm going faster. But I'm further down the field and the results aren't there. “Even when I was on the factory team I didn't have factory stuff.

"There was still somebody that had better stuff than I did. The way the politics work here sucks at times.”

While Edwards was a factory worker he'd test a ton of parts and tires showing excellent performance through practice and qualifying only to be fighting for top six on race day something that a lot of people kept scratching their head about. What was on his contract him and yamaha only know but that he was a clear developer and parts tester for Rossi was clear. It was obvious he was riding a different bike on Sunday.
Rossi's departure from honda was for the same exact reason he went to ducati and that is because he lost the exclusivity of having all the goodies to himself. Not because he didn't get to take home a rcv or because his girlfriend was getting anymore freebies like some people want to make believe. Rossi knew he was gonna have a very hard time if honda gave everyone of the riders updates at the same time as him. The mistake honda made was to think they knew their bike, that they knew what they were doing and that the bike was just a winner regardless of rider or "crew" work

Unless ducati comes out with a new bike miles ahead of the competition and Rossi has a mechanical advantage over the other aliens and his teammate, I don't see him as the favorite to win any races next season let alone the championship. The number 1 status he always whines about means exactly that. Remember when Barros got his RC211v for the Sepang Race and spanked Rossi in 2002? This has been going on for years. He demanded that nobody get the same bike all throughout the 4 stroke era. He has had some thrilling rides, he has been a brilliant tactician. But one cannot leave out that part of those tactics is keeping all of the goodies to himself when it comes to machinery. Thats why he left Honda and also why he left Yamaha.

[Vanja #66]

Ah izvini majstore što ti se trpam u posao, nego ko je razvio Yamahu 2006 i 2007?

Rossi je u timu od 2004, time sam sve rekao...
Nista ne oduzimam Edwardsu, ali Rossi je GOAT, a za tu titulu je potrebno mnogo vise nego da samo znas da vozis bajk nenormalno brzo ;)

A ovo za pricu da Stoner nije imao podrsku kao Rossi, ne pije mi vodu, decko je bio sampion 2007, ko ce mu nego njegov tim dati vecu podrsku, nrocito sto im je dao titulu nakon koliko godina...

[YAMAHAY]

Rossi je u timu od 2004, time sam sve rekao... Nista ne oduzimam Edwardsu, ali Rossi je GOAT, a za tu titulu je potrebno mnogo vise nego da samo znas da vozis bajk nenormalno brzo ;) A ovo za pricu da Stoner nije imao podrsku kao Rossi, ne pije mi vodu, decko je bio sampion 2007, ko ce mu nego njegov tim dati vecu podrsku, nrocito sto im je dao titulu nakon koliko godina...

Nisam znao, a kada je krunisan? greatest of our time bi možda bili prikladnije. Naravno da nije imao ovakvu podšku, pa pogledaj lepo u trećini sezone dobija skoro nov motor zato što sa starim nemože ništa da napravi..

[Vanja #66]

Nisam znao, a kada je krunisan?

Evo, brojmo:
1-1997
2-1999
3-2001
4-2002
5-2003
6-2004
7-2005
8-2008
9-2009

Ja bih rekao da je krunisan jos 2005, tad su i vrapci na grani shvatili...

[YAMAHAY]

Evo, brojmo:
1-1997
2-1999
3-2001
4-2002
5-2003
6-2004
7-2005
8-2008
9-2009

Ja bih rekao da je krunisan jos 2005, tad su i vrapci na grani shvatili...

Ajde da brojimo!

Mike Hailwood

Championships

250cc - 1961, 1966, 1967
350cc - 1966, 1967
500cc -1962, 1963, 1964, 1965


Giacomo Agostini

Championships

350cc - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974
500cc - 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1975

i tako možemo do sutra...

[Vanja #66]

Ajde da brojimo!

Mike Hailwood

Championships

250cc - 1961, 1966, 1967
350cc - 1966, 1967
500cc -1962, 1963, 1964, 1965


Giacomo Agostini

Championships

350cc - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974
500cc - 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1975

i tako možemo do sutra...

Ne vredi sa tobom... Da i danas moze da se vozi u slabijim kategorijama, mislis da Rossi vec ne bi bio na 20? Argument ti je irelevantan.

EDIT: Svaka njima cast, to su gromade od imena, ali nije isto danas i onda...

[Hayate.33]

Je l' gleda neko trening? Sta se desava? Cujem da je Rossi peti, je l se prosusila staza?

[vesna8.11]

Je l' gleda neko trening? Sta se desava? Cujem da je Rossi peti, je l se prosusila staza?

Na zalost, trening nije prenosen, zbog glupog treninga F1

A ja nisam imala pristupa kompu, visa sila, pa nisam mogla bar preko neta da odgledam trening.
Sada je u toku moto2, cekam da zavrse, pa ce mozda dati snimak i motogp-a.

[vesna8.11]

Za clana Yamahu----Rosi nije nista uradio sto se tice razvoja bilo kog motora.
Isuvise je on nestrucan za tako nesto. Pa i kao vozac je sasvim prosecan.
Sve one titule su mu poklonjene, ako nisi znao.
Nadam se da si sada zadovoljan, i da prekinemo vise ovu besmislenu i totalno glupu raspravu.

[Vanja #66]

Je l' gleda neko trening? Sta se desava? Cujem da je Rossi peti, je l se prosusila staza?

Ja gledao na netu, Rossi peti, to je vreme koje je postigao bar pola sata pred kraj treninga... Moze to i bolje, siguran sam! Stoner po obicaju malo vozio a isao solidno (sta trenutno radi, moze da se kaze da je 2. mesto samo solidno), Yamahe su bolje nego pre i mnogo mnogo lepse, steta sto im ovo nije standardan boja...

I da, staza je bila suva!

EDIT:

Za clana Yamahu----Rosi nije nista uradio sto se tice razvoja bilo kog motora.
Isuvise je on nestrucan za tako nesto. Pa i kao vozac je sasvim prosecan.
Sve one titule su mu poklonjene, ako nisi znao.
Nadam se da si sada zadovoljan, i da prekinemo vise ovu besmislenu i totalno glupu raspravu.

[Hurricane]

Je l' gleda neko trening? Sta se desava? Cujem da je Rossi peti, je l se prosusila staza?

Ono si vec procitao u prvih 10 minuta sto su pali, posle se vratili na stazu. Stoner izvozio 9 krugova, ostali po 15-18 od prilike. Rosi znatno sporiji nego juce, ne znam da li moze brze, videcemo danas u 14h A pred kraj treninga, jedno petnaestak minuta pocela kisica, pa stala i svi su usli u svoje garaze. Niko nije izasao da vozi brze krugove vise. Izaslo je nekoliko vozaca, ali cisto da se provoze i to je bilo to.

[Pablo]

Za onog ko ne prati jedna zanimljivost sa treninga. U 5 minuta su pali i Stoner i Dovi i Aojama. Ceo Repsol tim.

Mora da je to neka zavera Repsola!

[L. Lawliet]

Trening je bio dosadan kao i obicno . Rossi je vozio sekundu sporije od Simoncelija i pola sekunde od Lorenza, to je veliki napredak ali ce morati u kvalifikacijama napraviti jos jedan korak naprijed mislim da je to moguce.

Za clana Yamaha i ovim zavrsavam dalju diskusiju na ovu temu, sjeti se izjave Preciozia u Valensiji parafraziram: "Imao sam osjecaj da razgovaram sa inzinjerom" ba temu kakvi su Valentinovi utisci i feedback.