SPECIJAL.ZA KOGA ĆE ALONSO VOZITI 2015

[Gogi]

Ovo je luda kuca. Zna li neko ko ce u Ferrariju biti Vettelov kolega u garazi? Svakih 5 min druga informacija!

[bice]

Ja videh malopre Fete lu Ferariju,Alonso u Meklarenu,a Kimi verovatno ostaje,mada je jos rano pricati o ovome ali generalno najlogicnije je oovo.Zanima me gde ce Hamiltonhoce li ostati u Mercedesu ili mozda otici u Meklaren opet

[MarkedOne8]

Ovo je luda kuca. Zna li neko ko ce u Ferrariju biti Vettelov kolega u garazi? Svakih 5 min druga informacija!

Raikkonen. Potvrđeno. Nema tu šta. Move along people, nothing to see here.

Bastia, Grosjean je imao rezultate tek kad je objavljeno da Raikkonen ide u Ferrari i onda se ekipa blago okrenula njemu.

[Gogi]

Samo jos da Alonso ozvanici svoje, pa mozemo da odmorimo glavu od kombinacija.

[Alan]

Posle Fetelovog poteza nece to biti jednostavno.

[Nikoletina]

At Maranello on the Wednesday after Singapore, Fernando Alonso and Marco Mattiacci sat down for a meeting to discuss the future. Fernando went in there believing he held a strong hand. He, after all, had been flattering Ferrari’s form for years.

Widely perceived as the world’s number one, he was giving his all in the cockpit and just a few days earlier only the unlucky timing of a safety car prevented him from being the only vague threat to Lewis Hamilton’s much superior Mercedes. He had sacrificed some of the best years of his career to the service of the Scuderia which had consistently failed to provide him with a car to match the best.

Mattiacci, the corporate heavy, had other ideas about were the balance of power lay and that sotto voce exterior seems only the wrapping for a core of steel. As they took up their positions at the table, of the two men Mattiacci probably had a much clearer idea of exactly how this meeting was going to go. It’s said it was terminated by a furious Alonso telling the boss he was a son of a bitch and storming out.



In the aftermath it’s easy to imagine Mattiacci sitting calmly in his seat and allowing himself a wry smile of satisfaction. Why, he may even have picked the phone up in that very moment to Sebastian Vettel, told him the pre-contract he’d signed was ready now to be activated, that if he still wished to join he should begin making his arrangements.

At the Suzuka Circuit Hotel on Friday evening, Christian Horner went to Vettel’s room, as requested. The four-time world champion told him he would be leaving Red Bull at the end of the year. Horner had suspected this might be coming – and there was already a contingency plan in place.

So why had Mattiacci almost wilfully surrendered the services of F1’s best driver? He’d become tired of the waves he created internally. There are those who have worked at Ferrari during Alonso’s time there who swear he is not disruptive, that he makes his points but then withdraws. There are others who say that there was a honeymoon period of about a year where the driver immersed himself in the team and its people, but that his focus switched to himself in the wake of the lost title-decider of Abu Dhabi 2010.



Whatever, the waves created internally by Alonso’s remarks have frequently made life difficult for the management. His subtexts, the throwaway lines in public or to favoured journalists became all about how the team had let him down. He was the warrior pulling the team along in his wake – and they were being found wanting.

With a team being run one step removed by Luca di Montezemelo through a corporate lieutenant, that actually is how it was. Alonso was the centre of gravity of the team, its inspiration. But they were not devoted to him. His protective shell no longer allowed them in; he seemed to regard them with suspicion rather than respect.

But yet race after race he would perform magnificently, conjuring unlikely victories and podiums from unworthy machinery. No matter what the formula or car traits, his bullying magnificence in the cockpit would always find a way.

But the team was on the slide, no question. The days when Ross Brawn and Jean Todt held any corporate interference at bay and built up a lean, efficient racing unit were long gone. The grass was growing through the cracks – and Alonso’s greatest years were being lost to the blur of exhaust-blowing and entry speeds that was Vettel’s Red Bull.



And that’s just the way things were rolling – until the consistent under-achievement caused Fiat’s senior figures to turn their corporate heads Maranello way with question marks on their faces. From the moment Fiat’s Sergio Marchionne and John Elkann installed Mattiacci earlier this year di Montezemelo’s days were numbered.

Mattiacci though was an unknown quantity, with no racing background; difficult to read, given that his bland outward manner gave nothing away. But the signs are that he’s something of an operator. He’s been a significant part of freeing up the engine freeze – something that Ferrari needed help with – he’s smoothly taken up the reins in the wake of Montezemelo’s departure. And he’d clearly made his mind up about Alonso. He wanted an employee, not someone who made waves that were amplified by the Italian media.

So as he sat opposite his driver at Maranello the other Wednesday he said all the things that were guaranteed to rile someone of Alonso’s warrior disposition: we need more commitment from you, you need to understand that you do not run this team; I do. And no I’m not interested in increasing your salary to compensate for the absence of title-winning machinery. And Alonso exploded. He’d been played.



He’s a truly brilliant driver, a non-stop freight train of competitive will. But just as with the blackmail attempt on Ron Dennis in the wake of Hungary 2007, he’d misjudged his opponent. And in his frustration he’s now on his way out of a team that has every chance of fielding a much improved car next year. It will be the first overseen by James Allison – who has been given carte blanche by Mattiacci to do what’s needed.

A big chunk of the necessary improvement in the power unit is easily reachable in that this one was deliberately – but misguidedly – conceived around an extreme solution to minimising heat rejection, at the expense of power. It’s a car that will quite conceivably be good enough for Vettel to win races in – and the perception will be that Seb’s been able to do what Alonso could not.

Fernando meanwhile has the option of going to McLaren, with his old adversary Ron Dennis – strange what competitive need will forgive, on both sides. At the time of writing the contract had not been signed. But it had been prepared.

Whatever Alonso’s career statistics turn out to be, they are going to sell his wonderful talent short. But in the round, they will reflect a combination of that talent with a lack of nuance to his thinking, his one-dimensional way of demanding what is required. It pisses off those in a position of influence over his destiny – and that’s not smart.

[Gogi]

Dobro, i na sta dodjosmo sad? Vanja je bio u pravu kada je apostrofirao da Marco Mattiacci zeli da se nametne kao imperator u Ferrariju i da mu uticaj Alonsa kvari sistem vrednosti koji zeli da nametne. Pretpostavljam da ga je namerno nervirao tokom razgovora nebi li isprovocirao Spancevu vrelu krv, sto mu je naposletku i uspelo. Zeleo da anulira sve dobro sto je Alonso uradio za tim, pod izgovorom da previse sebe namece. Kad te neko uvredi i nipodistava, omalovazava tvoje rezultate i talenat, i jos ti prosipa filozofiju trgovca "nevredis ti te pare", da li bi se covek iznervirao? Kvaran je MM ko mucak. On nije tu da bi sacuvao duh Ferrarija, on je korporaciski dzelat, neko ko mora da uradi i ono sto niko nece nebili se pokrenuli iz ovog cemera. Pravilo opstanka je jasno i ono glasi: "Seci prvo najaceg, vodju, a ostali ce da se povinuju ili ih nema". To gospodin i cini. Ja nebranim Alonsa, niti mu drzim stranu. Vec sam pisao o odlasku njegovom iz McLarena. Bilo da je on izazvao revolt Rona Dennisa, ili je pak ucenjen, ili cak oba...? Jednom je izgubio dragocene godine, sad taj luksuz nemoze sebi priustiti. Zasto se istorija ponavlja, neznam. Da li je sam Alonso doprineo svemu sto mu se desava, mozda. Da li je precenio sebe za pregovarackim stolovima, mozda. Ali da je majstor volana, jeste.
To se nemoze ponistiti, iskljuciti, umanjiti... I sad tamo neki "grease monkey" mi dodje da tupi burgije...
Voleo bi da Fernando iz svega ovoga izadje kao jaci i jos odlucniji. Voleo bi da zapusi usta neznalicama jednom za svagda. Gde god otisao dalje, zelim mu puno uspeha, a prevashodno srece jer je odavno nema!

[Vanja #66]

Vidi, Gogi, u ovoj priči nema dobrih i zlih... To su nas malo pogrešno učili kad smo bili deca - uvek imaš borbu dobra i zla. Ne, pravi život nije takav, skoro pa uvek imaš brobu nijansi sive. Retko kad je neko čist zloća i onaj drugi nevinašce i žrtva... Obojica su u ovoj situaciji u pravu što traže to što traže i dalje ne može. Mattiacci hoće tim gde se zna red, da se zna ko je autoritet i svestan je da će u najboljem slučaju 2016. moći da se bore za titulu jer za takav tim treba veme da se izgradi. Alonso se obećanja naslušao zadnjih godina, kao vozač koga većina smatra najboljim ima pravo da smatra sebe de facto vođom tima (naročito pored onog besmičkenjaka koji je tako sjajno vodio tim od 2008.) i ima pravo da mu se ne sviđa izmena snaga u timu. Ali tu je i autor u pravu - previše je krut (sa čime mogu da se poistovetim u potpunosti) i teško prihvata kompromis za one najvažnije stvari. To danas osobina koja garantuje radno mesto...

[Gogi]

...previše je krut (sa čime mogu da se poistovetim u potpunosti) i teško prihvata kompromis za one najvažnije stvari. To danas osobina koja garantuje radno mesto...

Ja sam isti takav, zato sam "pissed of big time" kad cujem za takve zakulisne insinuacije.
Nemozemo svi da budemo ulizice, tek po neki od nas zeli da hoda kroz vatru...

[Nikoletina]

Ma nek ga je otjero, Alonso se udomaćio koda mu je Ferrari ćaćevina.

[Vanja #66]

Ja sam isti takav, zato sam "pissed of big time" kad cujem za takve zakulisne insinuacije.
Nemozemo svi da budemo ulizice, tek po neki od nas zeli da hoda kroz vatru...

Ja sam loše napisao jutros, eto šta se desi u žurbi. Ova poslednja treba da bude - to danas nije osobina koja garantuje radno mesto.

Vidi, to iza kulisa je uvek bio deo F1, Alonso učestvuje u tome redovno. On će i na stazi i van staze učiniti sve za sebe što može. Eto šta se i pominje u tekstu - cele 2010. i delom 2011. je bio uz tim, išao po fabrici, družio se, stvarao ekipu oko sebe, a onda je video da ni u drugoj godini neće biti ništa od titule i krenuo da traži neke druge povoljnosti kad već ne mogu da mu garantuju 101% konkurentan bolid. 2012. on je taj ko je povukao ceo tim i samim tim on sebi daje dodatno za pravo da traži i očekuje više. Greši li? Nipošto. Ko je grešio? Beskičmenjak, jer mu je prepustio tu ulogu, jer nije on bio taj koji je radio svoj posao, već je peglao odnose između njega i Montezemola. I to je onda to, ceo sistem biva narušen, ceo tim je ispao iz ravnoteže. Alonso krene malo da ih zafrkava izjavama i provokacijama na twitteru (opet, sa punim pravom), oni pokušavaju da glume autoritet (dok obe strane znaju da je Alonso potreban Ferrariju u tim trenucima), a ni sekunde mu ne kažu - ako nisi zadovoljan, tamo su vrata. Todt npr. tako nešto ne bi jedne sekunde dozvolio. Alonso bi to uvažio, u to ne sumnjam. Ali uvažio bi je bi od starta sve figure na tabli bile postavljene drugačije...

[Gogi]

Ja sam loše napisao jutros, eto šta se desi u žurbi. Ova poslednja treba da bude - to danas nije osobina koja garantuje radno mesto...

Shvatio sam te i prvi put odlicno, i konstatacija ti je na mestu.
Vozaci se sluze smicalicama i to svi. Cast vrlo retkim izuzecima. Timovi se sluze industijskom spijunazom, vrbovanjem drugih clanova timova, podmetanjem fals informacija,...
Sve je to donekle logicno, ako zelis da budes najbolji na svetu u najjacem takmicenju te vrste. I pojedinac i tim gore od zelje da se istaknu, pobede ostale.
Ono sto razlikuje vrhunske timove jeste kakvi su oni u porazu.
Ja dozivljavam Ferrari trenutno kao labave roditelje, a Alonsa kao razmazeno dete. Mozda je zato bas taj tvoj "beskicmenjak" kriv. Uveli smo se u fazu "ja sam tebi-a ti nisi meni". Pa sad prepucavanje itd...
Profesionalno do kraja. Nisam zadovoljan, nismo zadovoljni, brak nije vise dobar i to je to.
Zato mi tesko padaju ove gluposti koje izlaze na videlo, omalovazavanje, vredjanje... Ipak Ferrari sebi nebi smeo da dozvoli da ovo potraje, jer privlaci negativan publicitet. Oni su defacto najpopularniji tim u F1, ove pijacarske svadje nisu dobre po njih.
Jako mi je zao sto se Jules povredio, i zelim mu svu srecu u oporavku. Njegov incident je delimicno umanjio sramotu u Ferrariju, jer su se ljudi svojim mislima okrenuli podrsci mladom momku u njegovoj borbi za zivot. Istraj momce!

[MarkedOne8]

Možda ovu temu preimenovati u Driver market 2015?

[Nikoletina]

Slažem se

[Nikoletina]

Alonso ide ili u Marussiu ili u Toro Rosso :-P