Barclays Premier League & Championship 2012/13 - Diskusija i komentarisanje utakmica

[Sir Giggsy]

Ali bas zbog te cinjenica je ova liga najbolja na svetu! Svako moze da iznenadi... ja takodje sumnjam da mogu da izdrze ali za sada su prijatno iznenadjenje.

[Brajkula]

изненађење јесу, зато и онаква моја реакција.

[maliajnstajn]

Karma is bitch

[Freshman]

To je trenutno stanje Brajki, oni ce u toku sezone da padnu, nemaju tim da bi celu sezonu izdrzali tako visoko, mada moram reci da je Steve Clark odradio jben posao tamo, igraju dobar fudbal i potpuno zasluzuju mesto gde su trenutno. Ne mozes ocekivati na pocetku sezone sve vrhunske timove u vrhu, ovako je u PL svake godine pa se tamo negde u januaru kockice sklapaju i svako dolazi na svoje mesto, tek je 12. kolo.

Prosle godine je to bio Njukasl, bili treci do Nove godine, posle su ipak pali malo nize.

[Brajkula]

Па не бих баш поредио Њукасл и ВБА, али ако се окренемо уназад није много нас очекивало такав пласман Њукасла.
Било како било очекујем да ускоро завежу једно пет пораза узастопно, што је реалност...

[bracala]

Meni je bas simpa sto su WBA i Everton ovako visoko plasirani. Svi se malo rotiraju na pozicijama i to je odlicno.

[Freshman]

Па не бих баш поредио Њукасл и ВБА, али ако се окренемо уназад није много нас очекивало такав пласман Њукасла.
Било како било очекујем да ускоро завежу једно пет пораза узастопно, што је реалност...

Realnost je bila da ih danas Chelsea dobije, u najgorem slucaju po Chelsea da bude remi, pa su izgubili na kraju. Igraju jak fudbal, pogotovo kada pogledas da je Clark specijalista za odbranu, covek bio asistent Liverpoola prosle godine, Liverpool imao jednu od najboljih odbrana u ligi, iako nam je napad bio katastrofa.

Naveo sam Newcastle jer kao sto si napomenuo, niko nije ocekivao njih tako visoko na tabeli, jednostavno Demba poludeo, Hatem se preporodio nakon odlaska iz Marseja, Kabaj se pokazao kao sjajno pojacanje, sve im se poklopilo, tako je i sa WBA ove sezone. Long igra zaista sjajno, mada momak je uvek bio potencijal, Odemwingie udje sa klupe, da gol, odbrana cvrsta kao planina, jaki su kao kolektiv i zato su cetvrti. Koliko ce izdrzati, videcemo, sve je moguce, ja smatram da nece zavrsiti iznad prvih 6, tih 6 pozicija je rezervisano za druge timove.

[powerslave]

Ocekivao sam slavlje zbog poraza Junajteda Palo je to u drugi plan zbog "vjecitog derbija"

E moj Fergusone...Nisam gledao utakmicu ali po nekim izvjestajima vidim da je igra bila uzas i da nijedan igrac nije odigrao kako valja.Jbg,mora takva utakmcia da se desi makar jednom u sezoni.Nista strasno,ovo ce da ih trge
Nisam danas nista ispratio i po rezultatima zakljucujem da je bila cudna subota Malo se promijesala tabela

[danijelkr]

Analiza utakmice: Arsenal - Tottenham 5:2

Spoiler

The starting line-ups

For the third consecutive season, this fixture saw plenty of goals and featured an impressive comeback.

With Wojciech Szszesny back in goal, Arsene Wenger played his expected side – Theo Walcott was fielded on the right, while Thomas Vermaelen continued at left-back.

Andre Villas-Boas was without Steven Caulker, so shifted Jan Vetonghen into the middle and used Kyle Naughton at left-back. Upfront, he started Jermain Defoe and Emmanuel Adebayor together for the first time in the Premier League, in a 4-4-2.

There were three separate tactical battles here. Stage one was the opening formation battle, stage two was Spurs’ reaction to Adebayor’s dmissal, and stage three was when Villas-Boas switched to a 3-4-1-1ish formation at half-time.

Two up top

The major talking point was unquestionably Villas-Boas’ decision to play two strikers. He’s generally regarded as a system-based manager that sticks uncompromisingly to his preferred formation, so it was a huge surprise to see both Defoe and Adebayor upfront and a move away from 4-2-3-1.

However, based upon last week’s defeat to Manchester City, it made sense. At Eastlands, Clint Dempsey had a very disappointing game, barely involved in build-up play and less noticeable than Adebayor in terms of dropping deep and linking play. The natural alternative to him, Gylfi Sigurdsson, has also been underwhelming in recent weeks, while youngster Tom Carroll is seemingly not considered ready for league starts. In the absence of a reliable player to link midfield and attack, two upfront seemed a decent idea.

Using both Adebayor and Defoe gave Tottenham power and pace, and they lined up against the men most vulnerable to their attributes – which was crucial for Tottenham’s opener. Per Mertesacker is a good defender but his clearest weakness is his lack of pace, and Defoe outsprinted him to get in behind. Adebayor, who provided the finish, battled in the opening 20 minutes against Laurent Koscielny, who is much quicker than Mertesacker but lacks physicality.

Contrast in styles

This was shaping up to be a fascianting tactical battle. Spurs had numbers high up the pitch and two out-and-out wingers, but were conceding the centre of the pitch – in particular, the zone around Mikel Arteta. Defoe sometimes dropped deep onto him, but often the Spaniard had time and space in deep positions, and with Tottenham playing a high defensive line, Theo Walcott made some good runs in behind the defence, which seemed a likely route to goal – Arteta generally directed play to the right.

But Adebayor’s red card changed the game, and rather ruined the tactical battle. Obviously, Tottenham no longer had two upfront – it was 4-4-1 and eight men behind the ball, and Arsenal now dominated possession overwhelmingly.

11 v 10

Immediately after Adebayor’s dismissal, Arsenal struggled to make their numerical advantage count, as Tottenham continued to play a high defensive line and squeezed them in midfield effectively. Arsenal had difficulties with forward passing – Santi Cazorla and Olivier Giroud’s movement towards the play was a logical consequence of this, but also furthered the problem. However, the decision to continue pressing in midfield was tiring physically and mentally for Tottenham, and as Villas-Boas acknowledged after the match, it was the final ten minutes of the first half that cost his side.

Arsenal’s route back into the game was based around width and crossing, with Mertesacker heading in the opener and Giroud having a fine chance from a similar right-wing cross. Arsenal played predominantly down that flank, with Walcott heavily involved and Bacary Sagna skipping forward more readily than Vermaelen on the left. The goals arrived as a result of continual pressure rather than any specific strategic move, and Arsenal were 3-1 up at the break.

Villas-Boas went 3-4-1-1 for the second half

Tottenham move to a back three

For the second half, Villas-Boas boldly decided to play three at the back. He brought on Michael Dawson for Kyle Walker, and Dempsey for Kyle Naughton, sacrificing both his full-backs in search of a more attack-minded ten-man system – roughly 3-4-1-1.

It was significant that he chose to play with natural wingers (rather than full-backs) as the wing-backs, instructing them to play high up the pitch and pressure Arsenal’s full-backs. Bale was the obvious left-wing-back option, but using Lennon on the right, rather than Walker or Naughton, was a real statement of intent.

For the first 10 minutes of the second half it proved effective. Tottenham looked significantly better across the pitch, able to retain the ball at the back with Vertonghen and William Gallas spreading towards the flanks, while Dempsey buzzed around in behind Arteta to limit his influence in possession, and acted as the connection between Defoe and the rest of the side.

Usually with a 3-4-1-1, a side would be vulnerable to the opposition full-backs having too much time on the ball – but with Bale and Lennon so high up, instead Spurs’s vulnerability down the flanks came in deeper positions. Cazorla was predictably the man to understand where the space was, and drifted towards the touchlines to enjoy time on the ball.
Arsenal’s fourth goal was a perfect example of where Tottenham were weak with their second half system – the final pass (from Lukas Podolski to Cazorla) was played from the space outside Gallas, all the way across to the space outside Vertonghen. That was the risk Villas-Boas took, and although Spurs ended up losing the game 5-2 (and the second half 2-1), there was some merit in the formation switch.

Arsenal rarely close out games effectively, of course, and Bale briefly made things exciting with a shot from between Arsenal’s lines. But the threat of Walcott and substitute Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain on the break gave Arsenal a constant out-ball, and the former completed the scoring.

Conclusion

It feels wrong to concentrate on the decisions of the manager who lost 5-2, but every step of the way it was Villas-Boas’ choices that dictated the shape of the game. The two-man strikeforce was a surprise, the continued high line with a man less was a brave move, then the switch to a three-man backline was fascinating – if ultimately futile.

For Arsenal, it was a relatively routine performance in a tactical sense; the expected XI played in the expected shape. Their major positives came in the final third – the front four all scored, and there appears to be increased understanding between that unit. Walcott and Giroud are striking up a good partnership in particular, and the play down Arsenal’s right was effective for the duration of the game.

[Ricma]

Danasnji derbi severnog Londona sam proveo najbolje do sad.Ne zbog toga sto je Arsenal jos jednom svog velikog rivala ispratio sa pet golova, nego zbog toga sto mi je zvuk ceo mec bio iskljucen.Ni sekundu mi nije palo na pamet da slusam Nebojsu Visokovica.Jedino sto je moglo da se cuje u stanu je to da se kazance(vodokotlic) punilo vodom.Bolje i to slusati nego Viskovica kako prenosi fudbalski mec.

Zasto njemu idu najbolji mecevi PL???

[Vule_89]

Realnost je bila da ih danas Chelsea dobije, u najgorem slucaju po Chelsea da bude remi, pa su izgubili na kraju. Igraju jak fudbal, pogotovo kada pogledas da je Clark specijalista za odbranu, covek bio asistent Liverpoola prosle godine, Liverpool imao jednu od najboljih odbrana u ligi, iako nam je napad bio katastrofa.

Naveo sam Newcastle jer kao sto si napomenuo, niko nije ocekivao njih tako visoko na tabeli, jednostavno Demba poludeo, Hatem se preporodio nakon odlaska iz Marseja, Kabaj se pokazao kao sjajno pojacanje, sve im se poklopilo, tako je i sa WBA ove sezone. Long igra zaista sjajno, mada momak je uvek bio potencijal, Odemwingie udje sa klupe, da gol, odbrana cvrsta kao planina, jaki su kao kolektiv i zato su cetvrti. Koliko ce izdrzati, videcemo, sve je moguce, ja smatram da nece zavrsiti iznad prvih 6, tih 6 pozicija je rezervisano za druge timove.

Meni se svidja kako igra Wba,sto se tice plasmana na tabeli,njima je cilj da se obezbede na vreme,ne verujem da ce hteti da idu u LE to je samo gubljenje vremena...

[Condition23]

Gleda li neko Fulam-Sanderlend? Kako je Hangeland dobio direktan crveni?

[bracala]

Isao sa dvije noge na centru, totalno bespotrebno.

[Troyanac]

A ne mogu da vjerujem.. Taman pomislim da na utakmicama Fulhama pada dosta golova, odigram ih i evo sad cu da padnem ako ne padnu bar 3 gola...

[bracala]

Steven Fletcher again.


Najiskrenije, Fulham nije zasluzio da gubi.