Opste teniske diskusije,vijesti...

[Panchev9]

Bolje da nisam pitao!!

Jednog dana je Borgov cale osvojio neki turnircic u stonom tenisu i dobio kao nagradu teniski reket. Dao ga je sinu koji je tada igrao hokej na ledu i ovom se veoma brzo svidelo udaranje loptice o vrata garaze. Usledio je i odlazak u teniski klub, napustanje hokeja, mlacenje protivnika, slucajni dolazak jednog og agenata Davis Cup selekcije Svedske u njegovo mesto, a posto covek nije bio slep video je kakvim je talentom ovaj bog raspolagao. Skolu je napustio sa 15 godina i otisao medju profesionalce. Sve ostalo brzo ce postati najsvetlija istorija belog sporta i belih loptica. Njegova brzina, kvalitet spina (neka ga Rafa udara sa onako malom glavom reketa i drevnim zicama), fizicka sprema, mentalna snaga i mirnoca, mogucnost da melje protivnika do prekosutra sa osnovne linije ili da mu na mrezi prosto skrati muke, uz onakav izgled doneli su mu epitet prvog teniskog super stara modernog doba. Na Vimbldonu mu je trebala otprilie ista pratnja i zastita kao i Bitlsima nekih 10 godina ranije jer od zaludnih klinki nije mogao da se probije do terena. A igrao je kao da nikakvog pritiska nema, redjajuci titule na sporoj sljaci, brzoj travi ili tepihu.. sve sto je bilo moguce

Znam ponesto o rekordima u tenisu i ono sto mogu da potpisem je da njegove ostvarene do 25. godine niko nikada nece stici, iako sam veoma ponosan sto je Rafa mnogima barem prisao. Kada mu je posle skoro 10 godina i 700 meceva (zvanicnih, da ne racunam silne egzibicije) bilo svega dosta i kada je zatrazio pauzu nije je dobio pa ga je zbog neposlusnoti organizacija kaznila igranjem bednih kvalifikacija... to naravno nije mogao da proguta pa posle US Opena 1981. prakticno i nema neki ozbiljan turnir.. u tom trenutku imao je 25 godina i dva meseca a prosle su decenije dok neko nije dostigao sve to, posebno na Slemovima

Ako Bjern Borg nije bog tenisa, niko nije

Svaka cast.
Jel iistina da je Borg gotovo bankrotirao(nekada)?
I da je osnivac jedne sportske opreme( da ne kazem koje da ne bude smesno)?
Nesto mi tako stoji u memoriji, pa reko' da ostane ili da brisem.

[BOKI1969]

CW,Vladane,ne mozete vi to objasniti nekima koji prate tenis od pre 2 meseca a misle da vec sve znaju.

Molim te da obrazlozis po cemu cenis da neko prati tenis samo 2 .meseca zar to nije omalovazavanje drugih ljudi koji napisi nesto sto misle a prate tenis preko 30 godina npr??

[ClayWarrior]

Ovo sam vec postavljao ali vredi opet.. prostije objasnjenje za sve ovo sto danas gledamo (i sto ne gledamo) nisam nasao

What Happened to Serve-And-Volley Tennis?

Remember the good old days of tennis? John McEnroe vs. Bjorn Borg – serve and volleyer against counter-puncher – lefty vs. righty – whatever one guy did, the other guy did completely the opposite. This made for great theatre. Today is all about power and blistering groundstokes. Players today can’t get to the net because the ball is traveling too fast and the geometry/angles of the court have increased tremendously with better equipment.

Serve and volley tennis is gone forever. So sad but so true! The reason is simple – TECHNOLOGY. The strings in the racquets are so much better today – players can hit scorching groundstrokes from all areas of the court with pin-point accuracy. In many rallies today you will see 10 to 15 great shots that comprise of only one point. Back in my generation – one good shot meant the point was over. Players can’t get to the net because the baseliners are too good! There is too much court to cover and today’s players don’t think it is worth the gamble. The only time we see players venturing to the net are when they’ve hit a ball that is so far out of reach that they know, without a shadow of a doubt, that they will receive a floater – one that is easily picked off and hit into the open court.

The strings have made mediocre players decent, good players very good and great players almost unbeatable. 35 years ago, with wood racquets, and low budget strings, these mind-boggling shots from the baseline were impossible. When a penetrating forehand or backhand was hit to a corner in the 70s and 80s the point was basically over. And if it wasn’t over in one shot it was most certainly over in two shots. Strings have given players of today the ability to counter-attack with incredible success – the shots that these baseliners hit when they are stretched to maximum capacity would have been impossible with the old technology.

But today, the ‘so called’ miracle shots happen on a regular basis. Players can hit the ball in all parts of the court with power from areas that were once thought of as impossible. Highlight reel shots are a common occurrence in the 21st century. Back in the previous generations – with continental grips, steel racquets and goofy looking string – players couldn’t muster up enough racquet speed, or spin to hit the kind of shots being executed on a daily basis at today’s major tournaments. Sure the athletes are better today than in yester-year but the discrepancy is gigantic now in the shot-making and it is all because of the strings and the frames. If you like players blasting the ball from the baseline and never relenting – then this is the kind of tennis you will enjoy for quite some time. This new game is here to stay and for those who witnessed the game 30 years ago and beyond and admired the craftiness and thought patterns on a point-by-point basis – you will be disappointed by today’s brand of tennis.

John McEnroe, who won 7 grand slams in his hay-day, is a better player today than he was 20 years ago – the reason is technology. Even Johnny Mac, playing on the senior circuit, is playing predominantly from the baseline because he just can’t find a way to get to the net because there is too much court to cover.

Today’s strings allow players to dip the balls and create angles while still accelerating through the ball giving the net rushers no time to react. Modern technology has given players the ability to swing without fear. ‘Unloading on every shot’ makes it impossible for the “chip and charge” mentality from the previous decades. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Clijsters, and The Williams Sisters – they all swing out on every ball with unbelievable success – penetrating all angles of the court – and this makes it very difficult for guys like Isner, Querrey and Fish to advance to the net. When you can hit the ball on a dime from 80 feet away with maximum power – something has to give! And unfortunately, the volley game is what’s disappeared.

I once witnessed Nadal at the Rexall center while warming up for a match. He’d receive ball after ball with speed, spin and depth. And he could hit random targets at ease – targets I would have thought too tough. For sure Nadal is an incredibly gifted athlete but these targets he was picking off were tight to the lines, tight to the net and virtually impossible for players from past generations who didn’t have today’s technology. No wonder, Federer has difficulty getting to the net against such a precise baseliner.

Technology isn’t solely to blame, however.

Coaching is a major culprit as well.

Tennis coaches and teachers are under tremendous pressure to produce quick results. So what is the easiest way for them? Simple, put a bunch of kids on a tennis court and make them hit balls from the baseline. This is the way the coaches of today are instructing their kids to play tennis.

It takes many years to develop all the skills and the athletic body of a decent serve and volley player. And sadly, many coaches don’t have the skills to develop a player’s volley the way they can develop the groundstrokes. Coaches of today don’t understand the importance of learning how to volley.

To give an example of how easy it is to develop baseline ‘robots’; I saw a teacher (from a ‘famous’ school in North America) with four kids on the court and he was having the kids hit balls from the baseline to each other, which would have been satisfactory if not for the sixty balls that were spread all over both service boxes! These balls were in the way – but no-one moved them once throughout the entire practice. And in my opinion, this is a horrible way to teach groundstrokes – it’s just what many coaches in this generation do!!

The most appalling part of this exercise is that this went on for almost forty five of a sixty minute lesson and the scene repeated itself for the next four hours with the next group of youngsters every afternoon, the whole forsaken winter long and the parents where sitting and watching! This is disgraceful and the coach should be reprimanded for his laziness.

This is the way many kids are being taught all over the world – it is a consistent trend. A trend that will continue as long as we see the professionals playing the baseline game! Do I need to tell you that those kids will never volley in their lives? Children warming up for a recent OTA tournament at our club didn’t even come to the net to practice their volleys in the allotted 5 minutes. And, of course, in their match they never came close to hitting a volley.

Sure those teachers/instructors are incompetent and should be fired or re-trained, but the truth is that the lack of interest in giving youngsters the full package of tennis happens at the highest levels. Take for example: While coaching ITF and ETA tournaments, I have seen coaches allowing 14 and 15 year old boys and girls to play entire doubles matches with both players on the baseline whether they served or returned, as a team they both stayed on the baseline! This is wrong – and any coach who teaches this way should be instantly fired. Doubles is meant to be played at the net. I explained above that court coverage is difficult in singles when at the net, but not with 2 players in doubles!!

This lopsided vision of coaches toward the development of their youngsters, only reveals that everyone; Federations, parents, coaches and players are more concerned about winning and not reaching their full potential.

And sadly, it’s ruining the game!

[ClayWarrior]

Svaka cast.
Jel iistina da je Borg gotovo bankrotirao(nekada)?
I da je osnivac jedne sportske opreme( da ne kazem koje da ne bude smesno)?
Nesto mi tako stoji u memoriji, pa reko' da ostane ili da brisem.

Ja sam citao da je on tu napravio zescu mucku sa valjda svojom kompanijom Bjorn Borg Design Group i jos jednom i verujem da su bili u pitanju milioni dolara.. a kazu da je izmejdu te 1981. i recimo 1990. bas prolazio kroz gadan period, ukljucujuci drogu i depresiju

[AIRBORNE]

Zelim samo da me razumete da apsolutno ne osporavam velicine igraca iz proslosti,apsolutno ne. Divim se tim igracima ali ipak...
Uzeo sam primer kosarke jer lopta je ista,teren je isti,ruke su iste,noge su iste... ali svo ostalo nije isto.
Rekli ste, promenio se nivo treninga, a zasto?
Pa zato sto "to nesto" nije vise bilo dovoljno. Zato sto su se pravila igre i zivota menjala i samo po sebi se trazilo od igraca da skace vise,da trci brze,da zabija koseva,poena, vise...itd

Clay - lepa prica za B.Borga i zaista onako filmska, vredna divljenja. Nisam sarkastican!
Ali dozvoli da u nekom narednom periodu postoji i ova prica kako npr. Djokovici nisu imali `leba da jedu i da se iz nicega i iz nikakvih uslova i drzave pojavio Novak koji pretenduje da ga ceo svet nikada ne zaboravi
i da bude mozda najveci igrac svih vremena.

[notorious]

Prije par godina je bilo govora da je rasprodao trofeje

[Panchev9]

Ja sam citao da je on tu napravio zescu mucku sa valjda svojom kompanijom Bjorn Borg Design Group i jos jednom i verujem da su bili u pitanju milioni dolara.. a kazu da je izmejdu te 1981. i recimo 1990. bas prolazio kroz gadan period, ukljucujuci drogu i depresiju

Tako nekako se i secam.
Poz

[eM]

Clay - lepa prica za B.Borga i zaista onako filmska, vredna divljenja. Nisam sarkastican!
Ali dozvoli da u nekom narednom periodu postoji i ova prica kako npr. Djokovici nisu imali `leba da jedu i da se iz nicega i iz nikakvih uslova i drzave pojavio Novak koji pretenduje da ga ceo svet nikada ne zaboravi
i da bude mozda najveci igrac svih vremena.

Mislim da si potpuno promasio poentu CW-evog posta...

[AIRBORNE]

Ja sam citao da je on tu napravio zescu mucku sa valjda svojom kompanijom Bjorn Borg Design Group i jos jednom i verujem da su bili u pitanju milioni dolara.. a kazu da je izmejdu te 1981. i recimo 1990. bas prolazio kroz gadan period, ukljucujuci drogu i depresiju

Tacno, bio sam u tim bivsim njegovim extra buticima i kompaniji-jama to je zaista bilo jezivo kako je sve krenulo da se vrti ovo/ono i onda kada su ga provalili bas je bio puk`o. Po Svedskoj se kao pricalo da nije ni on inicijator te mutljavine nego njegova zena.

[Panchev9]

Prije par godina je bilo govora da je rasprodao trofeje

Nije valjda. Mada ako je i uspeo. Jer Novak je vise puta pricao da dobija "replike"( jedino sa zadnjeg AO dobio "original replike"). A sa ostalima se samo slika i to je to.

[BOKI1969]

Najveci problem izumiranja servis volej igre nalazi se u sposobnosti da reterner vrati lopticu nazad serveru pre nego sto ovaj zauzme dobru poziciju na mrezi narodski receno nadje se na nicijoj zemlji a tome je doprinela tehnologija izrade reketa ,jacina udarca kod servisa i koriscenje snage servisa prilikom riterna ,najbolji primer za to moze se videti kad igra LLodra po meni poslednji mohikanac servis volej igre kad mu vrhunski igraci vracaju ritern koji po pravilu zavrsava u visini zgloba nogu tako da moze odigrati half volej pasivan udarac .jednostavno tehnologija je unistila ovaj stil inace najvise sam voleo gledati Edberga po meni najboljeg servis volej igraca svih vremena

[AIRBORNE]

Mislim da si potpuno promasio poentu CW-evog posta...

A zasto? Ja nisam mislio da je njegov post protiv moga nego prosto dve price razlicite a opet filmske tj, lepe.
Namerno sam malo isao i sa teme jer je zaista tesko onako banalno porediti igrace - kao u fazonu dve iste slika pa kao nadjite 10 razlika.

[ClayWarrior]

Pre neki dan je bila emisija na Sportklubu (valjda World of Sport ili tako nesto) i prikazase Mariju Siskinu.. klinka ima nekih 12 godina i dosla je sa majkom iz Kazahstana na Floridu kod Nika, kockavsi se kao otprilike i Sarapova. Ispostavilo se odmah da stvarno nisu pogresili i da je neverovatno talentovana, palo je normalno odmah USA drzavljanstvo i ugovor sa nekom firmom na 350000 dolara. Elem, izlete klinka na teren i onako visoka i vec definisanih misica poce da mlati po loptici sa onim Vilsonom toliko dobro i jako da sam ja zanemeo. Nik samo stoji pored i govori joj kakve korake da pravi i kako da se namesta. Oko nje je citav tim ljudi, radi kao manijak 5 dana nedeljno (vikendom pokusava ipak da ostane dete sa hobijima i zabavom) i tu jednostavno ne moze biti greske

E sad, nekome ce kada to uporedi delovati smesno jedna Dzenifer Kapriati koja je pre manje od 25 godina pocela da pravi cuda i bila verovatno jedna od 3 ili 4 najtalentovanije igracice koje su do tada uzele reket u ruke.. cak stavise, i njen mec protiv Graf na Vmbldonu kada joj nije bilo ni 15 godina delovace kao usporen snimak u odnosu na ovo sto klinka moze da uradi sa svemirkom tehnologijom danasnjeg reketa

Svaka cast onim ljudima na svakom voleju koji su odigrali

[notorious]

Najveci problem izumiranja servis volej igre nalazi se u sposobnosti da reterner vrati lopticu nazad serveru pre nego sto ovaj zauzme dobru poziciju na mrezi narodski receno nadje se na nicijoj zemlji a tome je doprinela tehnologija izrade reketa ,jacina udarca kod servisa i koriscenje snage servisa prilikom riterna ,najbolji primer za to moze se videti kad igra LLodra po meni poslednji mohikanac servis volej igre kad mu vrhunski igraci vracaju ritern koji po pravilu zavrsava u visini zgloba nogu tako da moze odigrati half volej pasivan udarac .jednostavno tehnologija je unistila ovaj stil inace najvise sam voleo gledati Edberga po meni najboljeg servis volej igraca svih vremena

Dokle je Llodra dogurao prošle godine u gradu svjetlosti, kada su se sjetili da konačno stave led na jedan turnir

[Vladan]

Najveci problem izumiranja servis volej igre nalazi se u sposobnosti da reterner vrati lopticu nazad serveru pre nego sto ovaj zauzme dobru poziciju na mrezi narodski receno nadje se na nicijoj zemlji a tome je doprinela tehnologija izrade reketa ,jacina udarca kod servisa i koriscenje snage servisa prilikom riterna ,najbolji primer za to moze se videti kad igra LLodra po meni poslednji mohikanac servis volej igre kad mu vrhunski igraci vracaju ritern koji po pravilu zavrsava u visini zgloba nogu tako da moze odigrati half volej pasivan udarac .jednostavno tehnologija je unistila ovaj stil inace najvise sam voleo gledati Edberga po meni najboljeg servis volej igraca svih vremena

S&V ne postoji zato sto vise nema tepiha,sto je beton cesto sporiji od sljake,sto je cak i trava usporena.Isto tako su i loptice teze i sve su usporili i sad vise nemamo S&V majstora,imaju jedan,eventualno dva turnira godisnje da pokazu svoje umijece.A Ion Tiriac bi jos usporavao podlogu i lopte bi mu bile vece,svaka cast tim ljudima!