Opste teniske diskusije,vijesti...

[BOKI1969]

Rodik ,tipican amerikanac,arogantan i nekulturan, narocito to pokazuje na americkoj turneji,po meni postaje totalno izgubljen lik,sve je drugo za njega bitnije samo ne teniska igra,ponasa se kao idiot u mnogim situacijama(nekima je to simpaticno)za mene je to neprihvatljivo za dzentlmenski sport kakav je tenis,pokusava svima da deli lekcije na terenu i van njega a kako se samo sprdao ranije sa teniserima(setimo se samo za Novaka i njegovih bolesti koje ima,pa je cak spominjao i antraks i pticji grip )a sada je malo presao na neke druge,bolje mu bi bilo da se bavi sobom i svojom igrom ili cak najbolje da predje u dubl igrace jer tu jos ima neke sanse;)

[amnesiac]

US Open 2011: grand slam courts risk becoming too similar as slow surfaces favour metronomic retrievers


The weather has been a constant talking point at this year’s US Open. First it was Hurricane Irene forcing the players into indoor practice, then the dramatic "full body cramp" that Jamie Hampton suffered in Tuesday’s warm conditions.

By Simon Briggs

4:37PM BST 31 Aug 2011

And now the tournament organisers have blamed the heavy rainfall of the last month or two for another oft-visited theme: the slow pace of this year’s courts.

The US Open has traditionally been the quickest of the four grand slam tournaments - even quicker than the grass courts at Wimbledon. This has favoured aggressive players, rather than the more metronomic retrievers and scramblers, as well as the best servers and returners.

This year, though, the players have identified a change. "I really have the feeling that conditions are slower this year than last year here at the Open," said Roger Federer after playing his first-round match on Monday night.

"It's just unfortunate - I think that maybe all the Slams are too equal. I think they should feel very different to the Australian Open, and now I don't feel it really does."

Federer suggested that the courts might have been painted too rough this year, but the US Tennis Association said that the problem had actually been New York’s summer rains, which had already reached record levels even before Irene dumped another few bucketloads on top.

Clearly, hard courts are not going to become soggy like grass ones, but the point is that you need people out on them, slipping and squeaking in their trainers, to wear the rough edges off and give the surface a slicker sheen.

And since August, when the courts were resurfaced, bad weather meant that hardly anybody was able to play on them until the start of "qualies".

This might seem like a trivial detail, but Federer is right: you do need a variety of surfaces to keep tennis interesting. Cricketers have different pitches and golfers play on different courses, but the dimensions of a court never change. The holy grail of tennis - the grand slam - would not be such a crowning glory if all the tournaments were played in the same conditions.

The shift at Flushing Meadows may be minor, but these players are finely calibrated machines. The ball is standing up a bit more to be hit, and a few millimetres can make the difference between a successful retrieval and an outright winner.

If Andy Murray encounters a similar phenomenon, when he plays his opening match against Somdev Devarrman, he may be tempted to follow up on Federer’s point.

Murray has always been at his best in faster conditions, especially indoors, where his unrivalled returning ability comes to the fore. But if he can fight his way through to the later stages of the tournament, things should improve. "We expect the court surface to speed up as the courts get more play," the USTA explained.

telegraph

Počelo se pisati o tome a i to je nešto. Mene samo nervira kako organizatori US Opena pokušavaju to dsa opravdaju. Vjerujem im taman kao onima sa Wimbledona. Evo što piše na njihovom sajtu godinama (ovo se ne mijenja)
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Court Durability

• Courts are sown with 100% Perennial Ryegrass (since 2001) to improve durability and strengthen the sward to withstand better the increasing wear of the modern game.
• Independent expert research from The Sports Turf Research Institute in Yorkshire, UK, proved that changing the grass seed mix to 100% Perennial Ryegrass (previously 70% Rye/30% Creeping Red Fescue) would be the best way forward to combat wear and enhance court presentation and performance without affecting the perceived speed of the court.

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A ovo je neprocjenjivo
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Speed of Courts

• There has been no intention either this year or in previous years to produce slower courts or ones suited for a particular type of game.
  
• Perceived speed of a court is affected by a number of factors such as the general compacting of the soil over time, as well as the weather before and during the event.

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U redu je priznati i to obrazložiti ali smatrati gledaoce idiotima koji ne vide razliku je za svaku osudu. Da se podsjetimo

I 2003. i 2008. su poslije 2001. zar ne? Na ovom forumu su mnogi iznijeli svoje razloge kojim opravdavaju ta usporavanja. Sa njima se ne slažem, ali to i nije važno. Ipak, zašto nas lažu? To je ključno pitanje. Možda se prevarim za ove sa US Opena i možda zaista podloga bude brža što se turnir bude bližio kraju, no svakako da im ne vjerujem.

[DangerAce]

I prosle godine su znacajno usporili podlogu.
bas sam nasao tekst , avgust 2010
zanimljivo

Are U.S. Open Tennis Courts Even Slower in 2010?

Does the US Open court surface favor Roger Federer over Rafael Nadal? For years, Nadal has been designated as a slower court specialist, with clay as his favorite. However, recently he has had greater success on grass and hard courts.

The reason, according to some analysts, has to do with the fact that the courts have been slowing down for some time. Worried that huge servers would dominate those events, all surfaces were slower by 2003.

In 2002, Wimbledon altered its grass, creating a thicker, more durable turf that slows the ball down and allows it to bounce higher, rather than skid, and baseliners have ruled ever since. Jim Curley, tournament director at the U.S. Open, said organizers began slowing their own courts down in 2002, adding extra sand to the paint, and did so again before the 2003 tournament to make the court fair for baseliners and serve-and-volleyers alike.

If you watch the US Open this year, pay special attention to whether the court takes spin more easily. If you think it does, you are not alone. It looks like the "fastest" surface in the Grand Slams has gotten slower this year. And, if so, look for better results by those players who are more at the baseline, and those who hit their strokes with the most wicked spin.

"We're trying to come up with a fair field of play for the integrity of the competition," said Mr. Curley. He said Mr. Roddick complained to him once that the courts had become too slow.

Are the courts even slower today? Have they been slowed even more this year, in a second slow down effort?

Some say the clay at Roland Garros, site of the French Open, was sped up which allegedly allowed more players to succeed on the surface and in the tournament. Fans of Rafael Nadal contend that this difference occurred in 2009. The evidence is that this has been occurring for some time, not just in 2009.

At the same time, the differences between the grass, clay, and hard courts featured at the main Grand Slam tournaments have narrowed. At Wimbledon, which has been played on grass since its inception in 1877, the organizers tweaked the composition of the grass in 2001 to make it more durable. As a result, the notoriously quick surface became much slower. Wimbledon is no longer a serve and volleyer’s paradise—Rafael Nadal won there last year by slugging it out from the baseline. Meanwhile, the clay courts at the French Open, historically the slowest surface, have actually gotten faster in recent years.

But while the US Open slowed its courts measurably in 2002 and 2003, this year's tournament has begun to show signs that the paint got another tweak this year, adding even more sand to make the courts even slower and more susceptible to spin. The best evidence came on the first day when Robin Soderling struggled to win against unranked Andreas Haider-Maurer. While Soderling was arguably not at his best and Haider-Maurer was clearly playing very good tennis, the ball seemed slower and more prone to spin.

Of course, baseliner Lleyton Hewitt lost, so does a close win or loss prove anything about the court? Probably not.

Yet, because of the signs in statements and on the court, this should be the year for Nadal if there ever was one. Although plenty of competition waits for Nadal, the results so far suggest that baseline play could be even more prevalent at this year's US Open. Federer, however, is trying to play more aggressively based on coaching from his newly hired coach Paul Annacone.

So are the US Open courts slower this year? It is hard to know. There is no information released by the US Open on the amount of silica used in the paint for the top layer of DecoTurf, the surface used by the US Open since 1978. So we may not be able to tell from any official word during the tournament.

Federer for one claims that the surfaces are continuing to slow.

"And as all the courts kind of slow down—indoors, hard courts, even grass— it's logical that today, if you're at the top, you can win on any surface. That's what he's been able to do. (He) still maybe struggles a little bit on the faster hard courts. But, then again, he won the Australian Open already, he's been multiple times in the semis of the US Open, so that is stuff that he does now quite comfortably."

Is this Nadal's year? It is impossible to tell.

That is why the 2010 US Open will prove one of the greatest in memory. And that is The Real Truth.

[BOKI1969]

Neznam kako vam vise ne dosadi prica oko usporavanja podloga i zbog cega se to radi neki bi izgleda najvise voleli kad bi se tenis sveo samo na servise jer bi sa ovim napredkom tehnologije reketa bilo nemoguce vratiti ni jedan servis pa bi to licilo na recimo Karlovicevu igru sa recimo jedno 150 aseva po setu igrao bi se svaki set tajbrek a kad se setim teniskog maratona na Wimbledonu izmedju Mahua i Iznera gde se brejk cekao 156 gemovamislim da bi godisnje bio dovoljan samo 1.GS koji bi poceo u Januaru a zavrsio u Decembru a videli bi mozda poneki brejk a tenisere bi iznosili na nosilima sa terena kao u stara dobra vremena gladijatora , a sta tek reci za publiku koja bi cekala kraj takvih meceva

[amnesiac]

Neznam kako vam vise ne dosadi prica oko usporavanja podloga i zbog cega se to radi neki bi izgleda najvise voleli kad bi se tenis sveo samo na servise jer bi sa ovim napredkom tehnologije reketa bilo nemoguce vratiti ni jedan servis pa bi to licilo na recimo Karlovicevu igru sa recimo jedno 150 aseva po setu igrao bi se svaki set tajbrek a kad se setim teniskog maratona na Wimbledonu izmedju Mahua i Iznera gde se brejk cekao 156 gemovamislim da bi godisnje bio dovoljan samo 1.GS koji bi poceo u Januaru a zavrsio u Decembru a videli bi mozda poneki brejk a tenisere bi iznosili na nosilima sa terena kao u stara dobra vremena gladijatora , a sta tek reci za publiku koja bi cekala kraj takvih meceva

Ne znam kako tebi više ne dosadi spamovanje na ovu temu.

[eM]

Neznam kako vam vise ne dosadi prica oko usporavanja podloga i zbog cega se to radi neki bi izgleda najvise voleli kad bi se tenis sveo samo na servise jer bi sa ovim napredkom tehnologije reketa bilo nemoguce vratiti ni jedan servis pa bi to licilo na recimo Karlovicevu igru sa recimo jedno 150 aseva po setu igrao bi se svaki set tajbrek a kad se setim teniskog maratona na Wimbledonu izmedju Mahua i Iznera gde se brejk cekao 156 gemovamislim da bi godisnje bio dovoljan samo 1.GS koji bi poceo u Januaru a zavrsio u Decembru a videli bi mozda poneki brejk a tenisere bi iznosili na nosilima sa terena kao u stara dobra vremena gladijatora , a sta tek reci za publiku koja bi cekala kraj takvih meceva

Odavno ne procitah post s manje smisla...
Sve bi se svelo na servere, koji igraju po 150 aseva po setu, a mecevi bi bili teniski maratoni koji bi trajali beskrajno dugo.
I ni ja neznam kako ti nikad ne mozes da shvatis poentu rasprave, vec se uhvatis necega i neumorno tjeras po svome...

[BOKI1969]

Ne znam kako tebi više ne dosadi spamovanje na ovu temu.

Evo ako mi ti kazes da ovo sto sam napisao nije realna mogucnost ako se ne nastavi trend poboljsanja tehnologije reketa necu vas "spamovati"vise, a kad vec pokusavate naci nacin za razlicitost zbog stila igre to se sigurno nece postici ubrzavanjem podloga, al dobro ako vi u to verujete nemam nista protiv ,imao sam cisto dobru nameru da vam kazem na jedan "moj"nacin da piljenje po toj temi vise nema niceg novog ali ocigledno gresim.samo vi nastavite

[BOKI1969]

Odavno ne procitah post s manje smisla...
Sve bi se svelo na servere, koji igraju po 150 aseva po setu, a mecevi bi bili teniski maratoni koji bi trajali beskrajno dugo.
I ni ja neznam kako ti nikad ne mozes da shvatis poentu rasprave, vec se uhvatis necega i neumorno tjeras po svome...

Hvala na komplimentu;),zasto bi svako morao da svata poentu na nacin na koji to recimo ti radis i naravno da teram po svome jer mislim svojom glavom,iznosim svoja razmisljanja i teze o teniskim desavanjima.ili je u medjuvremenu nesto promenjeno pa se nesmije drukcije misliti nego samo kako nekome ovde na forumu odgovaramislim da sam bio sasvim kulturan i pazljiv prema svakom a ako nisam ,molim da mi ukazete na te greske.bio bih vam beskrajno zahvalan jer covek tesko na sebi moze uociti gresku i nikad nije kasno da nesto novo nauci

[Mr. Wolf]

Neznam kako vam vise ne dosadi prica oko usporavanja podloga i zbog cega se to radi neki bi izgleda najvise voleli kad bi se tenis sveo samo na servise jer bi sa ovim napredkom tehnologije reketa bilo nemoguce vratiti ni jedan servis pa bi to licilo na recimo Karlovicevu igru sa recimo jedno 150 aseva po setu igrao bi se svaki set tajbrek a kad se setim teniskog maratona na Wimbledonu izmedju Mahua i Iznera gde se brejk cekao 156 gemovamislim da bi godisnje bio dovoljan samo 1.GS koji bi poceo u Januaru a zavrsio u Decembru a videli bi mozda poneki brejk a tenisere bi iznosili na nosilima sa terena kao u stara dobra vremena gladijatora , a sta tek reci za publiku koja bi cekala kraj takvih meceva

A ja ne znam kako tebi ne dosadi da odgovaras na tu temu. Ako ti je dosadna tema o kojoj se diskusija vodi onda nemoj ni da ucestvujes u njoj. Pusti one koji zele o tome da pricaju da pricaju, a ne da svojim upadicama (vec 100-ti put) kvaris diskusiju. Ako Bojana,Amnesiac,..... i ja zelimo da diskutujemo o glupavom ( moje misljenje) usporavanju svih podloga, a tebe ta tema smara , onda ne vidim razlog zbog kojih upadas u diskusiju.

[bojanaBG]

Hvala na komplimentu;),zasto bi svako morao da svata poentu na nacin na koji to recimo ti radis i naravno da teram po svome jer mislim svojom glavom,iznosim svoja razmisljanja i teze o teniskim desavanjima.ili je u medjuvremenu nesto promenjeno pa se nesmije drukcije misliti nego samo kako nekome ovde na forumu odgovaramislim da sam bio sasvim kulturan i pazljiv prema svakom a ako nisam ,molim da mi ukazete na te greske.bio bih vam beskrajno zahvalan jer covek tesko na sebi moze uociti gresku i nikad nije kasno da nesto novo nauci

Ali najbitnije je da ti nekog ispravljas.

[BOKI1969]

A ja ne znam kako tebi ne dosadi da odgovaras na tu temu. Ako ti je dosadna tema o kojoj se diskusija vodi onda nemoj ni da ucestvujes u njoj. Pusti one koji zele o tome da pricaju da pricaju, a ne da svojim upadicama (vec 100-ti put) kvaris diskusiju. Ako Bojana,Amnesiac,..... i ja zelimo da diskutujemo o glupavom ( moje misljenje) usporavanju svih podloga, a tebe ta tema smara , onda ne vidim razlog zbog kojih upadas u diskusiju.

Evo da i tebi odgovorim,pa naravno da mi nije dosadno da odgovaram na temu ako o njoj imam svoje misljenje;)zar mogu jednom recenicom da nekom zabranim postavljanje novih postova(kazi mi caku za to)a ako vam kvarim vasu idilicnu diskusiju o usporavanju podloga ,da te pitam mogu li ponekad i nesto da napisem na svoj nacin ili da trazim odredjene preporuke od recimo tebe ili nekog "kompetentnog"velikog brata recimo

[BOKI1969]

Ali najbitnije je da ti nekog ispravljas.

Molio bih te da to "ispravljanje" malo elaboriras ovako je to uzalud

[Mr. Wolf]

Evo da i tebi odgovorim,pa naravno da mi nije dosadno da odgovaram na temu ako o njoj imam svoje misljenje;)zar mogu jednom recenicom da nekom zabranim postavljanje novih postova(kazi mi caku za to)a ako vam kvarim vasu idilicnu diskusiju o usporavanju podloga ,da te pitam mogu li ponekad i nesto da napisem na svoj nacin ili da trazim odredjene preporuke od recimo tebe ili nekog "kompetentnog"velikog brata recimo

Tvoj komentar:

Neznam kako vam vise ne dosadi prica oko usporavanja podloga i zbog cega se to radi neki bi izgleda najvise voleli kad bi se tenis sveo samo na servise jer bi sa ovim napredkom tehnologije reketa bilo nemoguce vratiti ni jedan servis pa bi to licilo na recimo Karlovicevu igru sa recimo jedno 150 aseva po setu igrao bi se svaki set tajbrek a kad se setim teniskog maratona na Wimbledonu izmedju Mahua i Iznera gde se brejk cekao 156 gemovamislim da bi godisnje bio dovoljan samo 1.GS koji bi poceo u Januaru a zavrsio u Decembru a videli bi mozda poneki brejk a tenisere bi iznosili na nosilima sa terena kao u stara dobra vremena gladijatora , a sta tek reci za publiku koja bi cekala kraj takvih meceva

Ti si koliko vidim vec napisao svoje misljenje (neka od prethodnih strana), koje ja postujem, ali sa kojim se ne slazem. Znaci ti si napisao svoje misljenje i sad drugima naturas na nos da su dosadni sa ovom pricom, a oni ustvari iznose svoje misljenje kao sto si ti prethodno svoje, sto znaci da ne postujes one koji diskutuju o aktuelnoj temi. ;)
Ako je tebi dosadila ( cim pominjes " kako vam ne dosadi" ), onda nemoj da diskutujes, a ako hoces da normalno diskutujes samo izvoli, naravno da ti ja nikada necu reci da si dosadan sa tvojim stavom, tj. uvek cu postovati ono sto ti mislis. Pozdrav.

[BOKI1969]

Tvoj komentar:

Ti si koliko vidim vec napisao svoje misljenje (neka od prethodnih strana), koje ja postujem, ali sa kojim se ne slazem. Znaci ti si napisao svoje misljenje i sad drugima naturas na nos da su dosadni sa ovom pricom, a oni ustvari iznose svoje misljenje kao sto si ti prethodno svoje, sto znaci da ne postujes one koji diskutuju o aktuelnoj temi. ;)
Ako je tebi dosadila ( cim pominjes " kako vam ne dosadi" ), onda nemoj da diskutujes, a ako hoces da normalno diskutujes samo izvoli, naravno da ti ja nikada necu reci da si dosadan sa tvojim stavom, tj. uvek cu postovati ono sto ti mislis. Pozdrav.

Gde sam napisao da je neko dosadan sa ovom pricom(molim te pronadji gde to pise u mojim postovima)evo ti vadis moje reci iz konteksta kao i jos neki, samo sam napisao sledece"Neznam kako vam vise ne dosadi prica oko usporavanja podloga i zbog cega se to radi "e vidis nisi kopirao(citirao nastavak recenice"i zbog cega se to radi")pa onda "sarkasticni nastavak moguceg napredovanja tenisa sa totalnim ubrzanjem podloge"cisto sam izneo svoje razmisljanje u vezi nastavka price i moj pogled ka tome sta bi se desilo ako bi se ubrzavale podloge,i da nemam nista sa tim sto se ne slazes samnom ja bih se zabrinuo da se svi slazu samnom ,shvatio bih da nesto nije u redu;)

[BratBugarin]

Podloga je usporena? Pa kako to da organizatori ne znaju o tome nista? Sto se ne javi taj ko je usporio podlogu na 20 terena a da niko to ne zna?

Neki kazu da su loptice krive.

Ovde cu da kopiram moje misljenje o usporavanju terena jer je to preporuka moderatora.