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  • Dobro ajde pošto su ovo opšte diskusije i pošto se GOAT debata podgreva i može se ovde voditi onda da raspravimo kriterijume za GOAT-a..

    Dakle GOAT ne može da bude neko ko igra najlepše ili ima najlepši biceps jer je lepota u oku posmatrača.

    I Barsa igra najlepši fudbal pa se niko neće drznuti da kaže da je Barsa najveći klub u istoriji.
    Mora da postoji egzaktan kriterijum za opšteprihvatanje, a to lično ko šta voli, nek' voli i dalje..

    1.GS titule..
    Ovde nema spora, ko ima najviše GS titula je najveći i kraj, bile one rasporedjene ovako ili onako..
    Bitno je samo da ima sva 4 slema u vitrini.

    2.Broj nedelja na prvom mestu
    Dakle, imati najveći broj nedelja na No.1 je pakleno teško i za to je potrebna konstantnost.

    3.Olimpijada
    Nema govora da je Olimpijada u tenisu bila marginalizovana ali sve više i više je bitna, igra se jednom u 4 godine i pritisak od poraza je opak.
    Sportisti generalno a i teniseri najviše suza prolivaju kad im za dlaku izmakne zlato ili medalja na Olimpijadi..

    4.Broj WTF-a..
    Dakle, to je turnir gde igraju najbolji, igra se u dvorani i nema pomagala u vidu vetrića i sunca..
    Punokrvni skils i tehnika dolaze do izražaja u dvorani, na pravilnoj tvrdoj podlozi.
    Nema sreće, nepravilnih odskoka, samo kvalitet.

    5.Mastersi.

    Dakle ako Nadal ima 21 GS a Federer 20 onda je Nadal GOAT svidjao se on nekome ili ne..
    Ako imaju po 20 onda je Federer Goat.
    Last edited by Chiwwi; 10-09-19, 17:31.

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    • Ne bih se slozio da je problem samo u tome sto je WTF na kraju godine. Niti bih se slozio da ga je Rafa preskakao i imao losije rezultate kad je igrao samo zbog povreda. Mogu da se slozim da ga je preskakao zato sto je cuvao energiju i tijelo. No glavni razlog je sto smatra da se rizik ne isplati.

      Na USO, protiv top 10 Rafa ima 7-5 (58%).
      Roger 16-6 (73%)
      Novak 12-7 (63%)

      Rafa ima 1.75 dobijenih meceva protiv top 10 na svaku osvojenu titulu. Rodzer 3.2 a Novak 4.
      Rafa je dobio:
      2010. je osvojio titulu i dobio Verdaska i Novaka
      2011. je dobio Marija
      2013. je osvojio titulu i dobio Gaskea i Novaka
      2017. je osvojio titulu i nije imao ni jednog top 10 igraca.
      2018. je dobio Tima
      2019. je osvojio titulu i dobio Medvedeva

      Uza svu prilagodljivost i sampionski mentalitet, on je imao srece na USO. Taj nivo srece se ne moze imati na WTF-u.
      Last edited by NI; 10-09-19, 17:26.

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      • Jako je bitan drugi karijerni slem,odmah iza broja slemova,to je nesto sto niko u Open eri nije uradio i ako Rafa osvoji na Ao nesumnjivo je Goat jer uz to ima 12 Rgova sto je bolesno,sve ostalo pada u vodu tada,ako 20ti uzme na Rg tad semoze diskutovati

        Posle toga idu nedelje,pa godine na prvom mestu,zatim komplet Oi Wtf svi mastersi i slemovi(jos ako je dupli tim bolje) i H2H bi tu stavio

        Onda broj mastersa,broj Wtfova i na kraju ukupan broj titula

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        • I isto da raspravimo Novakova 4 slema zaredom su veće ostvarenje nego Lejverovih 4 u istoj godini..

          Prvo, jedna podloga više, a drugo, Novak je za svoja 4 morao da bude u top formi od 01. Jula 2015 do 06. Juna 2016..
          Dakle 11 meseci i 6 dana

          Dok je s druge strane vampir Lejver morao da bude naoštren od 01. Februara 1969 do 10. Septembra 1969, dakle 8 meseci..

          To što se Lejverova 4 u godini vode kao posebno ostvarenje i priznatije je od Novakovog, to ne sporim, ali u praksi ono što je Novak uradio je najveće dostignuće igrački i praktično gledano u sportu..
          Last edited by Chiwwi; 10-09-19, 17:48.

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          • Originally posted by NI View Post
            Ne bih se slozio da je problem samo u tome sto je WTF na kraju godine. Niti bih se slozio da ga je Rafa preskakao i imao losije rezultate kad je igrao samo zbog povreda. Mogu da se slozim da ga je preskakao zato sto je cuvao energiju i tijelo. No glavni razlog je sto smatra da se rizik ne isplati.

            Na USO, protiv top 10 Rafa ima 7-5 (58%).
            Roger 16-6 (73%)
            Novak 12-7 (63%)

            Rafa ima 1.75 dobijenih meceva protiv top 10 na svaku osvojenu titulu. Rodzer 3.2 a Novak 4.
            Rafa je dobio:
            2010. je osvojio titulu i dobio Verdaska i Novaka
            2011. je dobio Marija
            2013. je osvojio titulu i dobio Gaskea i Novaka
            2017. je osvojio titulu i nije imao ni jednog top 10 igraca.
            2018. je dobio Tima
            2019. je osvojio titulu i dobio Medvedeva

            Uza svu prilagodljivost i sampionski mentalitet, on je imao srece na USO. Taj nivo srece se ne moze imati na WTF-u.
            Ne kazem da Rafa treba imati 5 wtf-ova ali da nijedan nije otkinuo je sigurno zbog 7 preskocenih turnira.



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            - 19 Grand Slams titles (84 titles)
            - Most titles won on a single GS, Masters and ATP 500 (12 RG, 11 MC, 11 Barcelona)
            - Winning 1 slam for 10 years in row (2005-2014)
            - Clay slam (2010), Summer slam (2013), 2x Channel slams (2008,2010)
            - Slams on 3 different surfaces in single year (2010), 2 slams on each surface
            - The highest winning ratio on single surface (clay - 92%)
            - Positive Grand Slam H2H with all big rivals
            - Single and double gold medal winner (2008, 2016)

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            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

              Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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              • Originally posted by NI View Post
                ....
                Svejedno, ostaje jedan mrlja. Njegovi rezultati na WTF-u pokazuju njegovo ogranicenje kao igraca.
                Nadalova mrlja je dvorana generalno, ne samo masters kup. Tip eskivira halu revnosnije nego Federer prašinu.
                tu je Novak ispred njih. Oduvjek i bio, ali formalno potvrdjeno tek sa Nole slemom i golden mastersom.

                Naravno da su mastersi relevantni. itekako relevantni
                neko ko nikako ili slabo prati i gleda samo broj slemova stavice Mareja i Vavrinku u isti koš .. dovoljno receno

                I jos nesto za zavrsni masters. izvesno vrijeme turom kruzi kletva "dabogda uzeo WtF" ako zelis da ukanalis nekog igraca

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                • Originally posted by cssr View Post
                  Nadalova mrlja je dvorana generalno, ne samo masters kup. Tip eskivira halu revnosnije nego Federer prašinu.
                  tu je Novak ispred njih. Oduvjek i bio, ali formalno potvrdjeno tek sa Nole slemom i golden mastersom.

                  Naravno da su mastersi relevantni. itekako relevantni
                  neko ko nikako ili slabo prati i gleda samo broj slemova stavice Mareja i Vavrinku u isti koš .. dovoljno receno

                  I jos nesto za zavrsni masters. izvesno vrijeme turom kruzi kletva "dabogda uzeo WtF" ako zelis da ukanalis nekog igraca
                  Ajde molim te nabroj mi sve sezone kad je Federer eskivirao prasinu i nabroj mi sve sezone kad je Nadal eskivirao dvoranu.

                  Muka mi je vec vise od te mantre da Fed eskivira sljaku, a on igrao sljaku i 2016. kad je bio povredjen, jeste propustio RG iako je otisao u Pariz, ali to je uradio da bi nekako odigrao sezonu na travi.
                  Propustio je ukupno sljaku 2 godine, 2017. i 2018., a profesionalac je od 1998. a ovde se prica kao da je od 20 godina karijere, svake druge godine propustao taj deo
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                  Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                  • Originally posted by topspinforehand View Post
                    Ne kazem da Rafa treba imati 5 wtf-ova ali da nijedan nije otkinuo je sigurno zbog 7 preskocenih turnira.
                    Poprilicno sam uvjeren da njegovi planovi sežu dalje od broje WTf-ova i nastupa na istim. Stoga mislim da ce on peglati na turu i tamo neke 2024. makar igrao samo zemljani dio sezone.. i biti konkurentan za trofeje

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                    • Marej dobio WC za Sangaj

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                      Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                      • Nadal ne eskivira dvorane, vec ih propusta ako je povredjen, a u dosta navrata bio.
                        OVAKO

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                        • Jedan odličan tekst koji objašnjava makar četvrtinu suštine teniske igre, možda i više. Nažalost, tekst je na italijanskom a trenutno nijesam u tehničkoj mogućnosti da ga prevedem pa možda drugom prilikom. Naslov glasi:
                          "Koliko je važno imati dobar forhend?"

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                          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                            Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                            • u ponedeljak je zreb za ovaj ATP Cup, za sad su ovo postave, ali ima jos jedan rok, mislim kraj godine


                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfzsyKXSs-Y

                              Here's the most remarkable thing to me about Federer: Seems to me that the more you know about tennis, the more amazed you are by the guy. If you know nothing at all about tennis, he's amazing. If you know a little something about tennis—maybe you have played a few times in your life—he's more amazing. If you know a little more about tennis—maybe you played in high school and once had illusions of becoming a pro—he's even MORE amazing. And if you were a great player—if you are a McEnroe or a Connors or a Jim Courier—then Federer is preposterously amazing

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                              Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you...
                              with experience.

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