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[Vladan]

Na svakom flagship androidu prije otvara kameru nego na Ajfonu, ustvari otvara brze svaku sistemsku app nego Ajfon. Kazem ti, ostao si u vremenu kad je Ajfon 4 izasao, a to je bilo mnogo davno. Tvoj telefon je sad zesci krs i nemas pojma sta brzo otvaranje app znaci uopste

Davno proslo vrijeme kocenja i kresovanja androida, to su uglavnom bili uredjaji sa 512 ili manje od gb rama. Meni se za sest mjeseci nijednom nije desilo da telefon zakuca, restartujem ga samo kad updatujem sistem, sto je jednom u mjesec ili mjesec i po dana, zakucao mi je jednom za godinu i po dana na S3 Neu, tacnije nije ni zakucao, nije htio da otvori imenik kompletan. Te price o sporom i androidu koji koci su sulude.

Sad kucam ovdje dok gledam yt, moci ce to i Ajfon brzo, za 5-6 godina, a onda ce biti prica kako je prvi to donio na trziste.

[dekkard]

Evo ja kao neutralan, s obzirom da sam koristio i jedan i drugi OS, mogu da kažem da bitne razlike u OS nema u poslednje dve, tri godine. Ima i do toga što je Android (ipak) tehnološki predvodnik i dosta toga Apple implementira tek nakon što se pojavi na Samsungovim flagshipima, a kod Androida se pojavi neka funkcija koja nije do kraja optimizovana pa korisnik ima utisak da je Android telefon sporiji nego iPhone. I jeste sporiji ali zato što te ili još gomile drugih stvari nema kod iOSA pa nema šta da koči. Inače, nije baš istina da iPhone ne koči uopšte, sve zavisi kako se koristi. Ne postoji savršen telefon bez obzira na platformu.

[limun]

Na svakom flagship androidu prije otvara kameru nego na Ajfonu, ustvari otvara brze svaku sistemsku app nego Ajfon. Kazem ti, ostao si u vremenu kad je Ajfon 4 izasao, a to je bilo mnogo davno. Tvoj telefon je sad zesci krs i nemas pojma sta brzo otvaranje app znaci uopste

Davno proslo vrijeme kocenja i kresovanja androida, to su uglavnom bili uredjaji sa 512 ili manje od gb rama. Meni se za sest mjeseci nijednom nije desilo da telefon zakuca, restartujem ga samo kad updatujem sistem, sto je jednom u mjesec ili mjesec i po dana, zakucao mi je jednom za godinu i po dana na S3 Neu, tacnije nije ni zakucao, nije htio da otvori imenik kompletan. Te price o sporom i androidu koji koci su sulude.

Sad kucam ovdje dok gledam yt, moci ce to i Ajfon brzo, za 5-6 godina, a onda ce biti prica kako je prvi to donio na trziste.

Ma radi i Android super, ali 2 god max. Posle toga sledi klasicna prica, ako ne izvrsi samoubistvo eksplozijom do tad.
Taj S3 je propast, mozda mu se retko desava da ubaguje ali mu sve secka. Samo pomeranje po meniu je naporno za oci.

Te price o revolucionarnim idejama Ajfona u poslednje vreme ocigledno dolaze od marketing tima Apple-a, da bi sto vise potpaljivali masu i da bi se vodile velike diskusije na tu temu. A ocigledno i uspevaju u tome. Tu im skidam kapu. Mindmasteri.

[Vladan]

Nije S3, nego S3 Neo. Stvarno ne znam kakav problem imas sa pomijeranjem menija, ali mislim da si jedini na svijetu koji tu vidi neki problem.

Pa ja i kazem da im se divim posto prodaju maglu, a fanovi sve to gutaju bez pogovora. Samo neka sisaju.

[limun]

Evo ja kao neutralan, s obzirom da sam koristio i jedan i drugi OS, mogu da kažem da bitne razlike u OS nema u poslednje dve, tri godine. Ima i do toga što je Android (ipak) tehnološki predvodnik i dosta toga Apple implementira tek nakon što se pojavi na Samsungovim flagshipima, a kod Androida se pojavi neka funkcija koja nije do kraja optimizovana pa korisnik ima utisak da je Android telefon sporiji nego iPhone. I jeste sporiji ali zato što te ili još gomile drugih stvari nema kod iOSA pa nema šta da koči. Inače, nije baš istina da iPhone ne koči uopšte, sve zavisi kako se koristi. Ne postoji savršen telefon bez obzira na platformu.

Istina. Nekome su bitne te opcije koje nudi Android, ja telefon koristim jednostavno za sms, pozive, slikanje, vesti, forume, mail.

@Vladan,
magla se prodaje naravno, ali meni je to nebitno. To je deo njihovog plana i to me ne interesuje puno kada biram telefon. Ozbiljno sam se zagrejao da kupim desetku, oseticu to dosta po dzepu ali makar znam da sam siguran 5-6 god. Naravno, ako se budem prevario, gubim poverenje u njih i to je to.

[Johnny Rotten]

Istina. Nekome su bitne te opcije koje nudi Android, ja telefon koristim jednostavno za sms, pozive, slikanje, vesti, forume, mail.

@Vladan,
magla se prodaje naravno, ali meni je to nebitno. To je deo njihovog plana i to me ne interesuje puno kada biram telefon. Ozbiljno sam se zagrejao da kupim desetku, oseticu to dosta po dzepu ali makar znam da sam siguran 5-6 god. Naravno, ako se budem prevario, gubim poverenje u njih i to je to.

Bravo za prvi dio komentara. Ja neću iPhone, prije svega što koristim punu otvorenost Androida u vidu ilegalnih aplikacija koje npr. na IOS-u nisu dostupne. A osim toga ne treba mi telefon od 1000 eura kao što je iPhone, jer me pare ne žuljaju, a raznorazne pretplate kod operatara neću. Drugo, moj budget telefon mi odlučni svrsi služi. Ne slikam puno telefonom, niti igram zahtjevne igrice. Surfanje po netu i poneka serija. Mislim da ovu raspravu treba odmah prekinuti, jer realno ne vodi do konačnog odgovora koji je sistem zapravo bolji, već do besmislenih daljnjih prepucavanja. Uostalom, neka svako svoje pare troši onako kako hoće, na Android ili iPhone, svejedno je.

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[s_hyperion]

Ne znam da li su limunove poruke parodija, malo mi vuce na to

Cujes tecnost rada samo na iPhone-u, meni na ovom kineskom djubretu od Tesle sve radi tecno, a nece na nekom boljem Android telefonu.

A sto se tice naslova "Zasto je debilizam kupiti Iphone X u Srbiji?", lagano bih ga promenio u "Zasto je debilizam kupiti Iphone X bile gde". Jos bih dodao i "Zasto je debilizam kupiti telefon skuplji od 200-300 evra", ali bolje da ne ulazim u raspravku

[limun]

Nisam mislio na neka veca kocenja i bagove.
Milisekunde su u pitanju kod animacija, ali upravo ta razlika cini Ajfon da deluje kao da je ziv.

Bez uvrede, ali meni je veoma glupa misao iz tvoje poslednje recenice.
Milioni uspesnih ljudi kupuju iPhone, u zemljama u kojima nije prestiz imati skup telefon, tako da verovatno postoji neki drugi razlog za to.

Okej je reci da tebi ne odgovara da das vise od 300e za telefon, ali misljenje da je "debilizam dati za tel. vise od 300e" je, ustvari, samo po sebi debilno.

[kronostime]

Men` Sony Ericsson Xperia Z8 radi k`o i prvog dana pouzdano - ni apdejta, ni zahebavanja.

[dekkard]

Moj prvi smartphone je bio Samsung Wave, koja je to bila makina bada operativni sistem, ništa Android, ništa iOS, Galaxy S serija se u to vreme pravila od plastike a on 2010-te ceo metalan riknula mu ram memorija inače bi bio još u upotrebi

[mark !t zer0]

Da li je moguce da do sada nisam znao za ovu foru na PESU kada ti izbaci random igrace iz odredjene lige, ili vise liga, zavisi kako stavis? I plus ovo sa trejdovima pre meča, zastiti glavnih igraca. PES mi je upravo postao za 200% zaninljiviji, posto su me vecina timova odavno smorili.

[limun]

[Ser Deni ®]

Evo ovako, da pocnem...

Android vs iOS tema koja ce uvek postojati kao i Mesi vs Ronaldo, Maradona vs Pele, BMW vs Mercedes, Putin vs Tramp. Jedni vole jednu stranu uvek vise nego drugu i naginju ka njoj. Tako je u svim sferama zivota, kao npr i covek koji vise voli meso, nece reci ju sto je dobar ovaj brokoli.

Koristio i jedan i drugi sistem i mana ima i jedan i drugi.

Android ima otvorenost koja znaci nekim ljudima i to je to. Npr vise vole da popiju jedno pivo ili kafu, nego da plate neciji rad (aplikaciju) koji koriste svakodnevno. Meni je to tuzno, jer programeri, kao i vi sto radite neki posao trebaju biti placeni. Zamislite da da vi odete na posao, odradite ceo dan, a na kraju meseca ne dobijete dnevnicu za taj dan i kaze gazda, pa odlucio sam da si radio dzabe taj dan. Jel bi bili ljuti? Naravno da bi bili. Isto tako i programeri ne vole pirateriju. Apple je napravio tako sistem i Apple Store da stiti programere, mada postoje nacini i da se to zaobidje, na neki nacin, na neki kratkotrajni period, pa mora sve ispocetka. Google-a boli bas pedu za programere, oni ce i od krekovane aplikacije zaraditi u vidu Google analytics-a i Google Ads-a.

Android ima jedan problem, a to je garbage collector (In computer science, garbage collection (GC) is a form of automatic memory management. The garbage collector, or just collector, attempts to reclaim garbage, or memory occupied by objects that are no longer in use by the program.).

Druga stvar je sto Android ≠ Samsung. Android je ono sto vidite na Nexus odnosno na Pixel uredjajima. Ti uredjaji su vecinom visoke klase kao i iPhone (700+e) tako i rade, odnosno kako i treba jedan high end telefon da radi. Ne moze se uporediti nijedan iPhone sa telefonima nize ili srednje klase, jer je iPhone visoka, pa makar to bio i 5s ili 6, oni su bili u svoje vreme visoka klasa. iOS sistem u 90% slucajeva ce odraditi fluidnije posao usled optimizovanosti sistema. Ono sto android koci je upravo android i google politika. Aplikacije kao npr Viber koja zahteva minimum 4.4 android losije radi od iOS Viber-a koja zahteva iOS 9.

O cemu se zapravo to radi? Sto vise verzija aplikacije podrzavaju, sve je vise djubreta u kodu od aplikacije. Sto je manje podrska, manje koda, manja aplikacija, bolji rad. Ovo je samo primer, ali ima gomila aplikacija koja koci android, odnosno Google koci sam svoj sistem. Da Google ima podrsku kao Apple 4 odnosno 5 godina, verujem da bi i programeri aplikacija radili za samo 3 poslednje verzije sistema. Community odnosno drustvo entuzijasta i podrska androida je ogromna zbog njene "otvorenosti", mnoge stvari su nastale na XDA koje je Google samo pokupio i implementirao u sistem. Mislite da je nekog castio i rekao svaka cast ili bar uzeo i dodao jednu liniju teksta kao zahvalnicu programera koji je napravio taj feature?

Neko je spomenuo Note 8 trenutno najjaci Samsung (Android) telefon, ne znam zasto, trebao bi to biti Pixel 2, a reci cu zasto. Ja verujem da vecina ljudi ne vidi da nesto secka, laguje, kresuje, cedi bateriju, pravi haos itd. Isto tako morate postovati ljudi koji to vide (ukljucujuci i mene) kao sto to Limun vidi.

Prost primer:

Otvorite galeriju na oba telefona (iphone moze i 8, 7, 6, a moze i 5s), drugi je Note 8. Otvorite bilo koju sliku i videcete kako ima uzasan stutter (gubljenje frejmova) kod Note 8 telefona. Zasto je to tako? Zato sto Samsunga boli ona stvar da to ispegla i generalno to ce videti mozda 1-2% ljudi, sve i da 10% ljudi vidi, to je mali broj u odnosu na one koje ne vide. Uzmite Pixel 1 ili 2 i uradite isto. Hmmm, to se ne desava tamo, a isto je Android. Zakljucak, vracamo se unazad, a to je Samsung ≠ Android.

Za kraj nesto sto se nisam dotakao je, da je Apple udario dno sa iOS 11 i to bas dno od 11.0, preko 11.0.1, pa sve do 11.1 gde je otisao i malo dublje, a evo polako isplivavaju. Nesto neverovatno se izdesavalo tamo i ja da sam Kukonja, ja bi podelio momentalne otkaze celom dev timu, a tek onim dizajnerima koji su uveli gomilu praznog prostora i BBF (big bold fonts) je ogroman WTF. Ne cvetaju ni iOS-u ruze kad izadje novi, mukotrpno je cekati do neke X.2.0 ili X.3.0 verzije, jer to prodje od 6 do 9 meseci od prve verzije novog sistema, pa je glupost onda cekanje da se stvari srede, odnosno da se samo unapredi postojeci prethodni flawless sistem.

Long story short... Nijedan sistem nije savrsen, nikada nece ni biti, bio to Android ili iOS ili mozda neki treci. Svako ce kupiti ono sto moze u tom trenutku ili ono sto voli, jer da voli ono drugo, sigurno ne bi kupio ono prvo i obrnuto.

[Vladan]

Xiaomi and Samsung are jointly the top smartphone brands in India, according to International Data Corporation latest report. The latest Quarterly Mobile Phone Tracker by IDC for Q3 2017 reveals that Xiaomi along with Samsung captured 23.5 percent market share in the last quarter. Xiaomi almost tripled its shipments year-on-year and doubled quarter-on-quarter in last quarter. IDC adds that Xiaomi focus on the traditional channel for marketing its products has been a key strategy. The market research firm added Samsung had a "record breaking quarter" where it registered 39 percent sequential growth quarter-on-quarter and 23 percent year-on-year.

According to the IDC report, some of Samsung's bestselling models were the Samsung Galaxy J2, Samsung Galaxy J7 Nxt, and Samsung Galaxy J7 Max that contributed to almost 60 percent of the volume for the company.

Talking about top Xiaomi products, the Redmi Note 4 was the best-selling smartphone in India again as the company shipped roughly 4 million units in this quarter. IDC pointed out that Xiaomi's aggressive approach for pricing its smartphones made it a clear winner in selling devices on e-commerce retailers and direct Internet platform. The company's offline expansion through preferred partner program and Mi stores has been also getting a good response as its shipments doubled from the last quarter. Xiaomi recently announced that it shipped 9.2 million smartphones, a record number of units, in India in Q3 2017.

Lenovo (including Moto) made its comeback as the third smartphone brand and saw an increase of 83 percent in shipments from the previous quarter. IDC says that recent launches under Moto brand has reversed internal brand share, and claims that "Motorola contributes to two-third of its portfolio." Vivo was the fourth top smartphone brand, and saw a dip in its market share. In terms of shipments, the Chinese company saw a decline after a record breaking second quarter. According to IDC, Vivo V7 Plus and Y69 received strong initial traction in the market. At the fifth position was Oppo which had its biggest sell-in quarter so far in India as vendor shipments increased by 40 percent sequentially and 81 percent from same period last year.

"In the coming few quarters, both Samsung and Xiaomi would need to further strengthen their channel play and significantly differentiate their products on technology and quality to sustain and fight for leadership in this hyper competitive smartphone market," said Upasana Joshi, Senior Analyst, IDC India.

Buoyed by pre-Diwali sales, the smartphone shipments in India reached a record 39 million units in last quarter and saw a substantial growth of 40 percent from the previous quarter and a healthy 21 percent growth from the same period last year. The festival season in the country also meant that the Indian smartphone shipments accounted for 10 percent of the global smartphone shipments for the first time ever in a quarter. Talking about mobile phone shipments, over 80 million mobile phone shipments were recorded in the third quarter of 2017.

Samsung beware: How Xiaomi is winning over India's booming smartphone market

A seven-year-old Chinese manufacturer is taking over the world’s second-largest smartphone market.
In the last year, Xiaomi’s market share in India has gone from just 6% to 22%, according to Hong Kong-headquartered market intelligence firm Counterpoint Research. That puts its share at par with South Korea’s Samsung, a leader for several years now. And as of September, three of the five most popular smartphones in India are from Xiaomi, Counterpoint said in a report on Oct. 27.
It’s quite a coup considering Xiaomi entered India only in 2014—Samsung has been around since 1995. The Beijing-based company has invested around $500 million in the Indian subcontinent in the last two years according to Bloomberg and intends to invest a similar amount between the next three and five years.

This stupendous success, analysts reason, is because of a strong supply chain and the company’s ability to sell value for money products in a very price sensitive market. Xiaomi didn’t respond to an emailed questionnaire from Quartz.
Modus operandi

Since its entry into India, Xiaomi has stood out for its unique go-to-market strategy of selling only via e-commerce. It signed an exclusive partnership with e-tailer Flipkart and ran flash sales for new model launches, with the sales typically ending within seconds of opening. For instance, in a flash sale for the Redmi 1S model in September 2014, around 40,000 pieces were sold out in just 4.2 seconds.

This allowed the company to single-mindedly build capabilities around online retail, which now accounts for around 30% of India’s total smartphone sales. Most other brands have struggled with juggling online and offline sales, with many often failing to satisfy either set of customers.
“They’ve (Xiaomi) managed to streamline their supply chain and make sure the demand versus supply gap is not that significant,” Tarun Pathak, associate director at Counterpoint Research, told Quartz.
While around half the phones sold online are Xiaomi phones now, according to Counterpoint Research, the company has, over the past few months, begun pushing sales through brick-and-mortar stores, too. As a result, Xiaomi’s share of total sales in India from offline channels has doubled to 20% in the last year. It has also worked on creating a cult following in India, a move that analysts say helped create strong branding at a time when they weren’t even investing much in conventional advertising.
To increase its offline sales, Xiaomi is opening direct stores called Mi Home, and partnering with big retail chains like Croma, Univercell, Poorvika, and Sangeetha. In smaller cities, the company has launched a “Preferred Partner Programme” where it ties up with multi-brand outlets to put up Xiaomi signage and promote sales of its models. These preferred partners aren’t exclusive.
“They understood that they can’t be available at every nook and corner. So, these partners helped them maintain a buzz and pull in the market,” Jaipal Singh, senior analyst at market research firm IDC India, told Quartz.
Manufacturing push

Unlike other players that import devices, Xiaomi has set up two manufacturing facilities in Andhra Pradesh where it manufactures over 75% of the handsets it sells in India. These units are run in partnership with Taiwanese electronics manufacturer Foxconn.
“Xiaomi made the right moves when it comes to supply-chain and localisation,” Pathak of Counterpoint said. “It is not easy to forecast demand and then push out products.” The company is now considering setting up a third unit to meet growing demand.
It also seems to have played the pricing game just right. Xiaomi’s success so far has come almost entirely from the mid-price smartphone segment (between Rs10,000 ($154) and Rs20,000), among the fastest-growing in India. All its models in the country fall in that range, or are cheaper, and Xiaomi phones have more features than its rivals’ products.
As a result, three of the five highest selling smartphones in India between July and September were made by Xiaomi, according to Counterpoint Research.
The top five smartphone models in India in Q3 2017
1. Xiaomi Redmi Note 4
2. Xiaomi Redmi 4
3. Xiaomi Redmi 4A
4. Samsung Galaxy J2
5. Oppo A37
Maintaining the lead

However, it’s not going to be easy for Xiaomi to hold on to its market share.
For one, its South Korean rival is likely to come out all guns blazing. “Samsung will become aggressive going forward now,” Singh of IDC said. After all, India is a key market for Samsung, which has remained a market leader for years now, while Apple is still making inroads. Between July and September 2017, Samsung maintained its 23% market share in India, but missed capturing the Rs10,000-15,000 segment where Xiaomi managed to cater to most of the demand.
There are others, too, including China’s Oppo, Vivo, and Huawei, and Indian firms Micromax, Lava, and Karbonn Mobiles. In all, Indians today have over 150 models of phones to choose from.
So far, Xiaomi has managed to crack the code, but holding on to its spot at the top of the Indian smartphone market will be a different challenge.

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