DFL Supercup i DFB Pokal

[Brajkula]

Ti sve znas i znas zasto ja gledam fudbal? Au jbt, ovo Miko nije pisao.

Stoji to da je Bajern raznovrstan. E taj Real sto ima tog Benzemu, Ronalda, Ozila i ekipu bi mogao da bude jos raznovrsniji da oni pruzaju svoj maksimum i da se bolje sklope. Dakle, mogli bi ali nisu. U tome je sustina potencijala jbt.

Па то се закључи на основу твојих постова, просто као пасуљ. Ако грешим ок.
Откуд ти то да би могли боље да изгледају као тим и да буду разноврснији као ТИМ, шта су они малоумни једноставно изађу на терен у фазону ајде само да прође ми ћемо како ко хоће, свако на своју руку. Ало бре !? И шта Мурињо је лош тренер извуче из Порта пун потенцијал из овог Реала не може !?
Човече, Бајерн игра разноврсније у нападу јер је ТИМ, понављам ТИМ, и по трећи пут понављам ТИМ, са више нападачког потенцијала од Реала.

Сад ок када би просто сабирали индивидуалне потенцијале појединаца Реал без премца последње три сезоне у рикверц, али скуп најбољих индивидуалаца + најбољи тренер на свету, није аутоматкси и најбољи ТИМ на свету, видиш у осталом то и сам.
Дакле када да сведем ја на завршницу, када би гледали индивидуалне потенцијале Реал без премца, ТИМСКИ потенцијал о чему ја упорно причам је на страни Бајерна.

[Brajkula]

Pa sta mislis sto su tako kompaktni, zasto im je sistem igre tako dobar, zbog cega se tako dobro razumeju ??? Zbog individualnog potencijala, Mandzare, Mullera ??

Какве везе има зашто се разумеју, једноставно људи су складна целина, ТИМ. Знаш ли да се запитам сада испред компа да ме зезате, колико је проста моја прича ви се хватате на индивидуалне квалитете.

Ево још простије, Реал је СКУП појединаца у поређењу са Бајерном који је систем појединаца, и као такав је ТИМ са највећим нападачким потенцијалом. У осталом као да је битно зашто имају највећи нападачки потенцијал једноставно га имају и то сви ви видите јер говорите да су најјачи па као такви свима могу да дају бар гол више по мечу.

[Sir Giggsy]

Fora je u tome da je Bajern na maksimumu svog “napadačkog potencijala“, a Real ima igrace koji poseduju umeće, tehniku... koja ukoliko ostvare svoj maksimum mogu biti bolji od Bajerna. Na to se svodi potencijal, barem sam ja tako shvatio posto se muce da ti objasne.

Dakle Real poseduje veći potencijal...

[Brajkula]

Одустао, нема сврхе.

[Freshman]

Откуд ти то да би могли боље да изгледају као тим и да буду разноврснији као ТИМ, шта су они малоумни једноставно изађу на терен у фазону ајде само да прође ми ћемо како ко хоће, свако на своју руку. Ало бре !? И шта Мурињо је лош тренер извуче из Порта пун потенцијал из овог Реала не може !?
Човече, Бајерн игра разноврсније у нападу јер је ТИМ, понављам ТИМ, и по трећи пут понављам ТИМ, са више нападачког потенцијала од Реала.

Pa izvukao ga je prosle sezone Brajki, je l' su uzeli titulu, je l' su dali ja msm rekordan broj golova u ligi ??? Ove sezone nije Mou los, nego nesuglasice na relaciji igraci - trener, neki cudni potezi, povlacenje Ikera, samo su neki od razloga toplo-hladne forme tima ove sezone...

I pitao sam te, zbog cega imaju takav sistem, zasto se razumeju ??? Kako to nije bitno covece... City ima jedan od najvecih potencijala u napadu, pa se ne sastavljaju, ne razumeju se, zbog cega to ??? Sve ukazuje na jednu stvar, na jednu individuu, ali ti to ocigledno ne zelis da vidis. Zasto Barca ne igra brze, fluentlije, nego pod Pepom ??? Kapiras kuda ovo vodi, zar ne...

[Brajkula]

Dino Zoff: "Juventus je tim, Napoli je jači kada govorimo o pojedincima."

Е о овоме ја говорим, само убациш уместо Јувентуса Бајерн а уместо Наполија Реал. Амин !
И да, не слажем се са Зофом Јувентус је јачи у сваком погледу, тачка.

[danijelkr]

Bayern 1-0 Dortmund: Bayern dominate

Spoiler

Arjen Robben’s superb goal won the game, but Bayern’s nine shots on target to Dortmund’s one demonstrates the home side’s overall dominance.

Jupp Heynckes used the XI that triumphed over Arsenal last week, with one exception – Franck Ribery was out, so Robben started on the left. Daniel van Buyten was alongside Dante again.

Jurgen Klopp was unable to call upon Mats Hummels, so Felipe Santana played alongside Neven Subotic. Kevin Grosskreutz got a start in midfield.

This wasn’t a fascinating tactical battle, but Bayern were by far the better side – pressing well, mixing short intricate passing with longer balls, and featuring good variety and movement in the centre of midfield.

The starting line-ups

Dortmund shape

For the second consecutive game against Bayern, Klopp decided to go with a 4-3-3 rather than Dortmund’s more natural 4-2-3-1. It was a similar type of compromise – in the previous meeting he used right-sided midfield Jakub Blaszczykowski in a more central role with Ilkay Gundogan to the left of a midfield three, here he did the reverse – left-winger Krosskreutz played as a left-sided shuttler, with Gundogan playing to the right. Sven Bender sat deep.

There’s nothing wrong with reactivity against a side as powerful as Bayern, especially when they dominate the midfield with three talented passers, but it does suggest Klopp isn’t confident in Dortmund’s ability to outplay Bayern with their natural game. His selection was interesting – by using Grosskreutz, rather than Nuri Sahin, in the centre of midfield, he retained the ability to switch back to 4-2-3-1 (and maybe left Heynckes wondering what shape he’d use).

Pressing

The key difference in the first half was the level of pressing. Dortmund didn’t close down high up the pitch – partly because they looked tired, partly because it can be difficult to press a four-man defence with a three-man attack if the side isn’t used to it, and partly because Klopp doesn’t want his players to press so heavily this season.

“I have learned a statistic,” Klopp told UEFA recently.” Teams that run too much lose, and teams that press reduce their chances of winning the game. Now I know why [last season's Champions League failure] happened. We ran more than our opponents and we pressed them all over, as high as possible. If I have a share in the success, I also have a great share in the failure at European level. But we have all learned.”

But Dortmund’s lack of pressure allowed Bayern to build passing moves from deep – Bastian Schweinsteiger dropped very deep into left-of-centre positions to start attacks, and Dante was able to move forward on the ball – more on that later.

Bayern, on the other hand, were more proactive high up the pitch. Mario Mandzukic didn’t have a tremendous game in the penalty box, but he started Bayern’s pressure and forced Dortmund to concede possession cheaply in their own half – in that respect, they certainly missed Hummels.

Bayern areas of strength

In the opening moments, Toni Kroos seemed to find too much space – like in the previous meeting between the sides – and had the game’s first proper chance, failing to convert a simple opportunity when Roman Weidenfeller diverted a cross-shot towards him. There was nothing particularly tactical about that chance, but it did come from Kroos being left free, with no-one in particular tracking his runs. However, Bender did a decent job in the deep midfield role for the rest of the game, preventing Kroos getting too much space between the lines.

Instead, Bayern did two things well. First, both Schweinsteiger (despite him starting deep, and left-of-centre) and Javi Martinez both stormed forward into the inside-right channel, catching Dortmund out with their runs from deep, just as they’d done to Arsenal. This shouldn’t really have happened – Dortmund had enough men in the centre of the pitch to cope – but Bayern presumably felt comfortable to push men forward, safe in the knowledge that Dortmund weren’t using a number ten to exploit the space in midfield. Bayern’s best move of the first half came when Schweinsteiger chipped the ball for Martinez, straight ahead of him in the right channel, and the Spanish midfielder volleyed at Weidenfeller.

Second, Dante strode forward and constantly thumped long diagonal balls towards Thomas Muller, who challenged Marcel Schmelzer in the air successfully three times. There were various problems here – Schmelzer being poor in the aerial battles, Santana not moving across to take charge, and Dortmund allowing Dante forward in the first place.

On the other side, Robben started making runs in behind, although his goal came from a long-range strike, out of nothing.

Dortmund were disappointing. Their shape didn’t completely cope in midfield, although the presence of two advanced wide players did pin back Philipp Lahm and David Alaba well – neither influenced the game as effectively as they did last week against Arsenal. However, their lack of a number ten was obvious. Dortmund triumphed in the German Cup final last season against Bayern because Kagawa stayed high up close to Bayern’s deepest midfielder, then immediately sped in behind on the break. Dortmund didn’t have anyone in that role, and failed to play quick attacking transitions.

Dortmund improve

Having been battered in the first period, Dortmund improved after the break. This was a little reminiscent of the weekend’s Milan derby, with Bayern (playing the AC Milan role) taking their foot off the gas after a dominant first half, despite being only 1-0 up. Maybe they were trying to slow the tempo, but Bayern played with less intensity, and pressed less frequently.

Dortmund were more proactive, though. They were more positive in everything they did – closing down more energetically, and pushing their full-backs high up the pitch. The first move of the second half saw Schmelzer caught out yet again from a long ball to Muller (this time from Schweinsteiger) but throughout the second half, the left-back got around this problem by pushing high up the pitch, forcing Muller back. Muller’s tracking wasn’t great, and he was the first player Heynckes removed.

Bender / Gundogan drop in

Dortmund also built passing moves from deep. Key to this was the movement into deeper positions from Gundogan and Bender, who both had spells dropping between the centre-back. This got around Bayern’s (now half-hearted) press, allowed the full-backs higher, and therefore the wide players inside, and saw Dortmund keep the ball better.

Indeed, Dortmund’s best passing move of the game – when Marco Reus shot past the far post on 58 minutes – came when Gundogan had dropped deep, Bayern’s midfield responded by moving up the pitch and leaving space behind, Dortmund knocked quick passes around them, and Gotze drifted into that space between the lines to create the chance. That simple concept – a holder dropping between the defence – can create so many new passing angles.

Klopp replaced Grosskreutz with Blaszczyskowski, with Gundogan moving from right-centre to left-centre. Blaszczyskowski played higher up, but Dortmund still weren’t quite a 4-2-3-1. Julian Shieber replaced the underwhelming Reus, and had a very good late chance – but Klopp was unable to significantly change the shape of his side through substitutions.

Conclusion

There was no standout tactical feature of this game – Bayern passed well, pressed well, featured runs from deep in midfield, and took advantage of Dortmund’s weak left side of the defence.

It was more about overall dominance from a superior side – after all, Bayern are a staggering 17 points clear of Dortmund in the Bundesliga. After such a poor recent run of results against Klopp’s side, it seemed important that Bayern emphasised the difference in quality with an assured performance in a direct clash between Germany’s big two – by the time Bayern travel to Dortmund in May, the league will have already been won.

[danijelkr]

Parovi 1/2 finala

Bayern - Wolfsburg
Stuttgart - Freiburg

[Brajkula]

Лагано одмах могу да крунишу Бајерн.

[danijelkr]

Bayern igra onoliko da ne ponizi protivnika , ali u nekim trenucima mi tako izgleda. Prvi gol Mandzukic poceo akciju na centru i zavrsio je pogotkom. Drugi gol postigao Robben nakon milimetarski precizne lopte Shaqirija. Nakon toga Wolfsburg pokusavao i pred sami kraj su uspjeli postici gol, eurogol Diega. Ako se iko ponadao da bi utakmica mogla u nastavku biti interesantna to je otklonio Shaqiri precizni udarcem sa vrha sesnaesterca. Wolfsburg kao i u prvenstvu igra dobru utakmicu protiv sampiona.


EDIT: Shaqiri nesebicno za Gomeza i 4:1 ..... 5:1 Gomez. Hoce oni da zabijaju gol Bayernu pred kraj poluvremena.

[danijelkr]

Za devet minuta tri gola Gomeza

[Rondo9]

3 gola Gomeza u razmaku od 6 minuta :S

[Dale]

Da je zdrav od pocetka sezone , ako ne bi zabio 40 golova u ligi s ovakvim timom

Shaqiri i Bastian razvalili , ovo malo sto sam vidio ..

[danijelkr]

Tako je trebalo mu je tri minute da se zagrije , ali Bastijan mu je dao dvije odlicne lopte.

[danijelkr]

Veceras pola lige zeli da Freiburg ode u finale, jer bi tad i sedma pozicija, u slucaju da Freiburg ostane medju sest u ligi, vodila u Europu. Po ko zna koji put ove sezone cu gledati Stuttgart, ali prvi put necu navijati za njih. Ovo su sastavi koji bi trebali poceti utakmicu:

Stuttgart: Ulreich - G. Sakai, Tasci, Niedermeier, Molinaro - Gentner, Boka - Harnik, Maxim, Traoré - Ibisevic

Freiburg: Baumann - Mujdza, Krmas, Diagne, Sorg - Ginter, Schuster - Schmid, D. Caligiuri - Rosenthal, M. Kruse

Nadam se da ce desna strana Freiburga veceras da unisti lijevu stranu Stuttgarta.